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Ancient Drew

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Although I am Zarosian, I believe that Saradomin is actually good in spite of his flaws, and what he did. He's a human, and as such is most likely to have decent intentions, which is actually highlighted by Seren after TLW.

"Saradomin means well. Even back in the time of the god wars, he genuinely believed he was doing what was best for Gielinor. Misguided, perhaps. Arrogant, certainly. But there is a genuine sense of duty to his actions. That said, his zeal and inability to recognise the wisdom of others, has meant that he has fallen more and more from his path. He can be redeemed, I believe, but that is more your choice than mine."


This is a quote that can actually refer to most humans in general, especially in Teragard.

Now Teragard is described as "a cold place, both in temperature and temperament," where the people are self-superior and are ruled by Magisters from different families who use technology powered by the Schism.

This self-superiority could explain Saradomin's perceived arrogance, and he may have been influenced in some way by the Magisters' methods and Teragardian culture as a mortal. And his strong stance on order could be a byproduct of this culture, and that the Magisters used methods similar to ripping the wings off Garlandia or razing Askroth to the ground. And as a human who is trying to do his best, these are clearly mistakes or shortcomings of his own, and then he says things about his own intentions after DoC.

"I try to do what is necessary to protect my people, that they might live a life of virtue without fear...and have no cause to dirty their hands, as I have."


Since Saradomin hasn't been on Teragard for a good while, this suggests that he couldn't take whatever was going on in there, and wanted something better for the human race. Please feel free to make of this what you will.
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28-Sep-2016 17:49:57

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Hazeel said:
Solanumtinkr said:
I'd say it is somewhat ironic that humans now provide the backbone of most armies. How galling it must be to see how far they have come since being abandoned as weak.. Well, how far the Gilienorians at least, and they did step on a few faces and innovated their way to the top of the pile. With the kinds of things Gilienorians have been up against I'd say they'd have to have been fairly ruthless.


Humans, as a whole, are still weak with most of them being lower than imps. However Saradomin's stronger races (Centaurs, Icyene) were wiped out or are animals (unicorns, lions).
That's true enough to an extent. However, humans have been proven to possess great potential (you only have to look at Saradomin himself who is a tier 3 god, or the World Guardian), and the Teragardians seem to be good at designing technology and possibly weapons and machines, seeing that they lack sorcery. Another human who has been shown to have potential is Daquarius who went along with Mahjarrat, a werewolf and the World Guardian on the heist in DAT. If humans were really that pathetic, it would seem a little odd that Zamorak would have humans in his own army let alone invite Daquarius.
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28-Sep-2016 22:12:40

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@ Hazeel

Another thing to note is that Nex preferred to have humans in her army over demons and undead, although the latter two are much stronger. This is due to their quick thinking and ability to adapt. Also, nearly every wight that Sliske has made was human, including the Barrows Brothers and Gregorovic, and the armies of all the factions in the Heart bar the Serenists mainly consist of humans, including the Sliskean faction if you consider wights to be human.

Then there is Nomad. Orphaned by White Knights as a kid, forced to live on the streets, bumping into certain people that showed him the power of souls and growing strong enough to stop Lucien and give the World Guardian a decent fight. And the power of the human soul, which had to be quite strong for those individuals who surpassed normal human strength to overcome their obstacles. This power is being used by Sliske as part of his ritual, which is a little odd since if he wanted power he could have used Chthonian demon souls, assuming that they exist and get enriched by what they eat.
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29-Sep-2016 09:11:16

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Actually, the World Guardian is completely human. The only foreign power we have is softening the power of gods, which was given to us by Guthix. Apart from that, we are 100% humans who trained to our utmost potential and used this homegrown strength to save the world even before we got this power. Nomad, I think he uses a form of magic that isn't focused by runes so much as almost raw anima. As for Safalaan and Moia, they're hybrids who have Icyene and Mahjarrat powers, yet retain a humanity that possibly leads to more imagination.

This imagination is probably what makes humans great architects as shown in Teragard. Teragardians lack magic so instead they created machines to harness the Schism. This same imagination and understanding of machinery is what made us good at helping rebuild that catapult, or the anti-illusion machine that Oaknock built. We might even end up building a war machine for or against Zarador, and he's known as a technician and constructor. The Mahjarrat, I'm not sure if they were as good at building as humans, but they had raw magic power at their disposal.

Simply put, humans are capable of literally anything if they put their minds to use and make machinery. This is also what made Zamorak interested in the dwarves, as he said he needed to bolster his military might, and the Temple Knights may have machines and heavy weapons at their disposal as well.
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30-Sep-2016 07:04:07

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Padomenes said:
Ancient Drew said:
"I try to do what is necessary to protect my people, that they might live a life of virtue without fear...and have no cause to dirty their hands, as I have."
What if it means that Teragard is like a very 'cold' kind of world in temperament similar to ours/Earth irl that selects against or is hard on people who basically try to live a life of virtue or altruism that is designed for them to 'finish' last in all aspects of life, sometimes driving the more sensitive insane?

Saradomin maybe saw this and wants to create an environment where people can live a life of virtue, and get what the security that they need without needing to dirty their hands aka compete or go against each others' throats? Saradomin's kind of world essentially is where being virtuous aka nice to others in society makes you finish first/does not make you finish last in all aspects of life?
That could very well be the case. Another thing I noticed is his holy book preaching;

"The currency of goodness is honour; it retains its value through scarcity. This is Saradomin's wisdom."

This suggests that Saradomin had seen tons of dirty deeds in his time, especially on Teragard, to the point where he is actually used to it. And I think that he uses his doctrine of "the one true god" to try and inspire his followers to take the path of virtue, and enjoy happiness and prosperity. This, however, comes with a cost. If his misdeeds are uncovered in public, the Saradominists would have their innocence and trust in him shattered, and may end up going insane and deliberately going against virtue.

This innocence plays a part in his pursuit of virtue too; his followers are guaranteed to never harm a child. This is shown in Nomad's memory; the family were Zamorakian, but they never attacked him as a boy.

Although it is frightening to think that Teragardians may have murdered kids.
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30-Sep-2016 20:47:39

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Legion10X said:
Is it possible that Ice Warriors, Earth Warriors etc are from terragard?
I doubt that they are, but they are almost certainly of human origin. The same goes for the spiritual warriors of Saradomin and Zamorak.

Teragard humans may be built a bit like the Fremenniks due to living in cold mountain areas, and are probably highly intelligent and skilled constructors and technicians. That being said, I can't say what their actual combat skills are like compared to humans from Gielinor.
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01-Oct-2016 19:33:38

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AesirWarrior said:
Ancient Drew said:
The same goes for the spiritual warriors of Saradomin and Zamorak.


IIRC from the old game guide, spiritual warriors are just humans who've died in battle and been reanimated by the gods to keep fighting. ... You are referring to the ones in the GWD, right?
Yeah. Even the Zarosian ones were human (Nex liked having humans in her army), so the only exceptions were Armadyl (aviansie) and Bandos. They were probably ogres since the shamans made tasty mages as we saw in Gu'Tanoth, and the ogre in the Red Axe series. Ogres also preferred melee like most Bandosians do, and some dabbled in ranged combat like Rantz, albeit being better with a bow.
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01-Oct-2016 22:58:41

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Another thing to think about, assuming Saradomin is a normal human being, is fashion or image consciousness. He seems to change his look from time to time and dubs himself the one true god, which suggests that Teragardians are very conscious of their image. And speaking of the self-proclamation as the one true god, this is a psychology that may be possessed by the Magisters, and each of their families may not get along as a result. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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02-Oct-2016 14:58:34

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^ All of those traits are typical of the average human being, especially in Saradomin's position. One day you're a normal human boy or man going about your business in a world where everyone is self-superior and arrogant (again these two can be considered normal human traits), then all of a sudden you ascend to godhood and everyone turns to love you. In a place such as Teragard where the Magisters rule (they have no magic at all, instead harnessing technology that keeps the Schism in check), you are pretty much doomed to think yourself as the 'one true god' with a blown up ego; this is how people are brought up here.

Of course, being a human being he would have decent intentions. But these are tempered by humanity's shortcomings, as we have seen. Nobody particularly likes hearing the word 'no', or having their plans messed up.

Personally, I would help Saradomin with a few problems, but sometimes a line has to be drawn and as with the wand, I was basically saying to him, "No, this isn't the way. The centaurs can be saved by other means and this wand is dangerous. Let me destroy it and help find something else." I didn't chastise him for turning Owen into a half-zombie; Owen was only half-undead, so that means Saradomin isn't a monster. He's a normal guy who lacked proper guidance in the past. However, his alignment with light and good suggests he had a hero of sorts that he admired.
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28-Oct-2016 12:40:34

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Thanks for sharing your views guys. And thanks to Mod Raven for chipping in too, I appreciate it. :)

I think that while most species will desire power, each one is likely to have different reasons for it. Humans are in some ways insecure and want it to appear strong so they can draw courage from it. Mahjarrat seem to pursue it for survival, due to the rituals instilling a culture where the weakest get sacrificed and their power gets shared among the survivors. And the Bandosian races I believe pursue it for pleasure and the glory of battle. As Bandos said in Bird and the Beast:
"To get what we want, we have to be strongest."


Armadyleans on the other hand, I don't really think they desire power, or at least not in the same way that most others do. Their culture seems to be one where strength is drawn from one's fellows rather than oneself, as shown with Abbinah as well as their afterlife. If an Armadylean were to seek power for themselves, it would likely be out of a wish to protect the rest of the flock. The same could be said for Serenists as well.
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