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Ancient Drew
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Although I am Zarosian, I believe that Saradomin is actually good in spite of his flaws, and what he did. He's a human, and as such is most likely to have decent intentions, which is actually highlighted by Seren after TLW.

"Saradomin means well. Even back in the time of the god wars, he genuinely believed he was doing what was best for Gielinor. Misguided, perhaps. Arrogant, certainly. But there is a genuine sense of duty to his actions. That said, his zeal and inability to recognise the wisdom of others, has meant that he has fallen more and more from his path. He can be redeemed, I believe, but that is more your choice than mine."


This is a quote that can actually refer to most humans in general, especially in Teragard.

Now Teragard is described as "a cold place, both in temperature and temperament," where the people are self-superior and are ruled by Magisters from different families who use technology powered by the Schism.

This self-superiority could explain Saradomin's perceived arrogance, and he may have been influenced in some way by the Magisters' methods and Teragardian culture as a mortal. And his strong stance on order could be a byproduct of this culture, and that the Magisters used methods similar to ripping the wings off Garlandia or razing Askroth to the ground. And as a human who is trying to do his best, these are clearly mistakes or shortcomings of his own, and then he says things about his own intentions after DoC.

"I try to do what is necessary to protect my people, that they might live a life of virtue without fear...and have no cause to dirty their hands, as I have."


Since Saradomin hasn't been on Teragard for a good while, this suggests that he couldn't take whatever was going on in there, and wanted something better for the human race. Please feel free to make of this what you will.
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28-Sep-2016 17:49:57

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I reckon that Saradomin encountering creatures of light and purity like Icyene was such a drastic step into his Godhood, that it has become an escapism of sorts. Something he could glorify and call his own.

The Naragi God Wars may still plague the back of his mind, and protecting the lives he has built is his form of penance. Seeing the alternatives such as Zamorak or Bandos' ideal world is what he strives to prevent, not just for the people, but for his own peace of mind.
His own justification of why he has the power.

As for Teragard, I honestly visualise it as some sort of totalitarian society. Perhaps Teragardian laws are so extreme that 'wing-ripping' pales in comparison, and the Icyenes overreacted to Saradomin's surprise. Something he thought would catch on as the norm.

Maybe the Magisters do public executions to the Schism to spread obedience. It could be similar to Vampyric society, where reputation, and 'saving face' is of the utmost importance.
Either way, Saradomin has yet to return, was he tired of their ways? Was he kicked out through shame?

28-Sep-2016 19:58:29

Hazeel

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Not quite. Teregard was completely under his control and still worships him to this day...which explains why it's so orderly and cold over there. We were told shortly after TWW and Guthixian memories that Saradomin abandoned the humans because they were too weak. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

28-Sep-2016 20:05:38

AesirWarrior
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Hazeel said:
Not quite. Teregard was completely under his control and still worships him to this day...which explains why it's so orderly and cold over there. We were told shortly after TWW and Guthixian memories that Saradomin abandoned the humans because they were too weak.


He abandoned them, but I'd like a source for it being out of weakness. I'm not sure if that's in his character. The lore q&a seems to imply that he was just... done with them.
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28-Sep-2016 20:24:31 - Last edited on 28-Sep-2016 20:25:41 by AesirWarrior

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Hazeel said:
Not quite. Teregard was completely under his control and still worships him to this day...which explains why it's so orderly and cold over there. We were told shortly after TWW and Guthixian memories that Saradomin abandoned the humans because they were too weak.
I'd say it is somewhat ironic that humans now provide the backbone of most armies. How galling it must be to see how far they have come since being abandoned as weak.. Well, how far the Gilienorians at least, and they did step on a few faces and innovated their way to the top of the pile. With the kinds of things Gilienorians have been up against I'd say they'd have to have been fairly ruthless.

Now what the Teradardians have been up against or had to dal with will dictate what they are like to a degree. They won't be a mirror of Gielinor.
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28-Sep-2016 20:30:33

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AesirWarrior said:
He abandoned them, but I'd like a source for it being out of weakness. I'm not sure if that's in his character. The lore q&a seems to imply that he was just... done with them.


Do you remember where that was said to begin with? I don't, having been years ago.

Solanumtinkr said:
I'd say it is somewhat ironic that humans now provide the backbone of most armies. How galling it must be to see how far they have come since being abandoned as weak.. Well, how far the Gilienorians at least, and they did step on a few faces and innovated their way to the top of the pile. With the kinds of things Gilienorians have been up against I'd say they'd have to have been fairly ruthless.


Humans, as a whole, are still weak with most of them being lower than imps. However Saradomin's stronger races (Centaurs, Icyene) were wiped out or are animals (unicorns, lions).
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28-Sep-2016 22:05:33

Ancient Drew
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Hazeel said:
Solanumtinkr said:
I'd say it is somewhat ironic that humans now provide the backbone of most armies. How galling it must be to see how far they have come since being abandoned as weak.. Well, how far the Gilienorians at least, and they did step on a few faces and innovated their way to the top of the pile. With the kinds of things Gilienorians have been up against I'd say they'd have to have been fairly ruthless.


Humans, as a whole, are still weak with most of them being lower than imps. However Saradomin's stronger races (Centaurs, Icyene) were wiped out or are animals (unicorns, lions).
That's true enough to an extent. However, humans have been proven to possess great potential (you only have to look at Saradomin himself who is a tier 3 god, or the World Guardian), and the Teragardians seem to be good at designing technology and possibly weapons and machines, seeing that they lack sorcery. Another human who has been shown to have potential is Daquarius who went along with Mahjarrat, a werewolf and the World Guardian on the heist in DAT. If humans were really that pathetic, it would seem a little odd that Zamorak would have humans in his own army let alone invite Daquarius.
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28-Sep-2016 22:12:40

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There are definitely powerful humans, and overall I would say that humans have some of the greatest potential as individuals. But they stand out so much that Azzanadra doesn't even consider the WG to be human. As a species, humans just aren't reliable with many of them being poor soldiers or a complete liability. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

28-Sep-2016 22:29:23 - Last edited on 28-Sep-2016 22:29:48 by Hazeel

Kittyphantom
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Can confirm the quote I'm thinking of never said it was because of weakness. Unfortunately I'm not sure where we can dig it up, but I'm fairly confident of that fact - I remember the wording reasonably well. "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you[...]For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

28-Sep-2016 22:39:28

A Mighty
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Hazeel said:
Not quite. Teregard was completely under his control and still worships him to this day...which explains why it's so orderly and cold over there. We were told shortly after TWW and Guthixian memories that Saradomin abandoned the humans because they were too weak.


It was implied in the lore Q&A that the Magisters have strayed from Saradomin's teachings in favor of their own power (think medieval Catholic Church). Saradomin probably wouldn't approve of what Teragard has become, but there's still the question of why he hasn't been back. Which needs to be answered in a future quest...
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29-Sep-2016 00:50:08

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