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Hazeel

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Just did Phite Club and....I have to say I'm pretty confused. Obvious spoilers.

OK so...why are we helping Osman obtain the throne? He was just established as an untrustworthy traitor, the Emir doesn't like him, Senliten says he's unworthy...and I agree he's unworthy. While he might be better intentioned, he seems like an even worse candidate for the Pharaoh as he is.

...So yeah, why help him? It seems like I'm doing all this work just to replace a terrible Pharaoh with another terrible Pharaoh. What's stopping us from just killing him where he stands? After all, it would have been the appropriate punishment for his treason, had it not been for the Emir's generosity. And with that out of the way, we could have either

1) Had Leela take the throne.
2) March in there and take it ourselves.
3) Allow Al Kharid or Sophanem to send in a replacement.
4) Just kill the Pharaoh and let the chips fall where they may

All of which seem like better alternatives to Osman. Why are we just ignoring all of his issues?
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11-Jun-2017 08:20:19

Elf of Seren
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While I certainly think that he's gone a bit mad, I (1) think that he is a better ruler than what the corrupted Pharaoh was and (2) Sentilen told he what he needed to know to ascend, so I think in the end (off camera) she did see him as trustworthy.

As for why we're helping him, I think it had more to do with our "friendship" with Emir Ali and stopping any future wars between the two entities. I think, also that our character is supposed to be friends with Osman, however his popping up last min. was a little annoying.

His goals are for social change (but if he'll actually do it, I don't know), so that's at least promising.

Hopefully he'll die in the finale and Leela will take over.
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11-Jun-2017 18:19:13

Penny Drakis
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Hazeel said:

1) Had Leela take the throne.
2) March in there and take it ourselves.
3) Allow Al Kharid or Sophanem to send in a replacement.
4) Just kill the Pharaoh and let the chips fall where they may

All of which seem like better alternatives to Osman. Why are we just ignoring all of his issues?


Hahaha! Oh bless Amascut, these are the better options you've come up with? The world is truly sick and corrupt, praise Her holy work! May She open your eyes further; may you one day burn it all in your wrath, "world guardian". Mwahahaha.

But seriously, yeah, this is odd and absurd. I mean, the real world equivalent of Osman's claim to the throne would be if someone proved their descent from Alexander Magnus and was just given Greece and the Balkans, Egypt, and all the Middle East from Palestine to Pakistan. Oof, wouldn't ISIS just love/hate that? Hahaha.

What makes it more absurd is that while Alexander had his adventure a bit more than 2,000 years ago, Tumeken went KABOOM more than 6,000, maybe 7,000 years ago. The world has moved on, empires have fallen, royal bloodlines have faltered to their own concentrated corruption. Or "purity", ha!

At this point, the old pharaoh's bloodline would have more legitimacy than Osman's. Hell, They are probably cousins, five times removed. Not that I think blood is a legit qualification to rule, but, just saying.

And all in the name of Social Justice! Oh boy, that is going to lead to some fun times when more players get done with the quest.

Nice job, hero.
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11-Jun-2017 23:05:44 - Last edited on 11-Jun-2017 23:10:15 by Penny Drakis

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The whole situation was to change the political climate of Menaphos so that the whole Al-Kharid/Menaphos "war" could be brought to a close.

Even if we don't have much love for Osman the character, he is still loyal to AL-Kharid.

And as mentioned by Elf of Seren, while he wasn't "worthy" before he took power, he's a little more worthy now (possibly).

With Osman on the throne, the desert can finally know a sort of peace it hasn't known in a decade.

Amascut, by the time Osman takes power, no longer cares about Menaphos or Al Kharid, she has what she wants. So there won't be any godly intervention anymore.
So if anything happens, it would be because of the machinations of mortals.

It's possible that Osman is just a place holder.
He is the rightful bloodline, but that doesn't mean he's going to hold the position at the end of the Desert quest line.

He should be savvy enough to clean up the mess The Pharoah started and get social reforms started and to keep the peace.

But by the end of the series, he may be forced out or chooses to abdicate (could be for Leela or another character).

12-Jun-2017 07:14:18

BarryManilow
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I find it upsetting that our player character is so willing to dispose the leader of an entire country. I don't know about your personal headcanons, but I find it so messed up that my character (which really has no loyalties towards any of the factions in the desert) just randomly goes in and eliminates the leader of one of those factions.

IDK, the whole thing reeks of colonialism and it just rubs me the wrong way.
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12-Jun-2017 16:11:38

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Deltaslug said:
The whole situation was to change the political climate of Menaphos so that the whole Al-Kharid/Menaphos "war" could be brought to a close.

Even if we don't have much love for Osman the character, he is still loyal to AL-Kharid.

And as mentioned by Elf of Seren, while he wasn't "worthy" before he took power, he's a little more worthy now (possibly).

With Osman on the throne, the desert can finally know a sort of peace it hasn't known in a decade.
Except once the corruption is dispelled isn't it revealed that the Pharaoh was actually a tremendously good guy? If left in power he probably would've reversed all the Amascut-inspired policies anyway, including the war with Al Kharid.

It would seem more logical to me/my character to let the Pharaoh take responsibility, rather than reward a traitor.
BarryManilow said:
IDK, the whole thing reeks of colonialism and it just rubs me the wrong way.
I actually liked the colonialist overtones (to the extent that they exist and aren't just a misinterpretation). They're interesting.
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12-Jun-2017 22:39:05 - Last edited on 12-Jun-2017 22:41:51 by Raleirosen

Lethalintent
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Osman is certainly better than the disgusting fat mess the previous Pharaoh was.

I'd be happy if Tumeken returned and installed himself as Pharaoh. Amascut is an angry paper tiger in front of storm compared to him, he could discipline her and no amount of angry shouting will put us in danger.
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12-Jun-2017 23:24:04

Hazeel

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Lethalintent said:
Osman is certainly better than the disgusting fat mess the previous Pharaoh was.


Is he? Nothing's improved and whereas the previous Pharaoh was corrupted, Osman is willfully choosing to be a power hungry tyrant. The fact that he has good intentions doesn't make it better.
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13-Jun-2017 01:07:45

Penny Drakis
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Lethalintent said:
Osman is certainly better than the disgusting fat mess the previous Pharaoh was.


Yall are acting like Osman isn't being influenced by Amascut, too.

It is a fantasy of the naive and the oppressed and those that merely think they are oppressed that spiritual corruption manifests itself in physical corruption. Or wealth and social status or lack thereof, or whatever your favorite hang-up is.

And, yes, admittedly this is a fantasy game so of course physical corruption will show up so the storyteller can point out evil folks to us. But Jagex doesn't tend to tell such simplistic stories. Not 100% of the time, anyhow.

I think the old Pharaoh was such a mess because he was merely approaching the end of his usefulness. It makes it easier to replace him with the strong, younger hotness from Al-Kharid.

I dunno, the dialog implied to me that Osman was being influenced by Amascut as well, but maybe I am reading too closely between the lines.

BarryManilow said:
I find it upsetting that our player character is so willing to dispose the leader of an entire country. I don't know about your personal headcanons, but I find it so messed up that my character (which really has no loyalties towards any of the factions in the desert) just randomly goes in and eliminates the leader of one of those factions.

IDK, the whole thing reeks of colonialism and it just rubs me the wrong way.


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13-Jun-2017 03:14:47

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