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First thing let me just clear up some confusion the Mods went through a couple different names for the homeworld but currently, it stands as this.
Hallow = The Icyene homeworld, and a planet that is mostly water
Hallowed Isles = Are a series of islands located all across Hallow, until Saradomin made the floating city of New Domina the Icyne used to travel from island to island to try and escape the bitter winter.
New Domina = Well I already explained it above

Now as for the Vampyres on Hallow theory, I just really can't buy into it, the Devs have already discussed how the worlds work e.g. Vampyrium is a world filled with Blood Anima and how other planets made of other Anima also dictate what creatures are created there. (I'm sure you've read this before, but I can't find a link to anywhere, where it's discussed so if you have one that'd be useful)
Hallow does not seem like a world with an abundance of Blood Anima, so I can't see any reason why Vampyres would be created there.
If the Vampyres moved from Vampyrium to Hallow then that'd most likely be due to Zaros creating a portal for them and Zaros was the one to make them civilized.
However, Mod Stu responded to a question saying that the race the Icyene fought were unable to be reasoned with.
That doesn't fit the Vampyires we know who actually even went for a more peaceful approach to ending the war between them and the Icyene on Gilenor, rather than just slaughtering all the Icyene they took a hostage as a bargaining tool.
More of a case could be made if the Vampyres on Hallow were feral, but even then Feral Vampyres are some of the weakest Vampyres and Safalaan's Icyene powers have been shown to be good match for even some of the stronger Vampyres.
Food is the last and biggest problem here, due to the geography of Hallow, it's unlikely that there are many animals there and certainly not enough to sustain an overwhelming force of Vampyres.
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23-Nov-2017 20:33:06 - Last edited on 23-Nov-2017 20:45:52 by MystLunaris

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Imo the race the Icyene fought on Hallow was probably a similar race to the Kreegans from the Might and Magic series.

I just realised that link doesn't actually work, even though it's the correct link, I guess you're not allowed to link to other sites like that on the RS forums so, just google "Kreegans Might and Magic" if you're interested. Or just quote my post and copy and paste the link instead.

Actually, I now have another theory.
Thinking about how Hallow is a world mostly made of water and we know that the being that Guthix hit with the Blade shattered into multiple pieces and spread across worlds. And one of those pieces is assumed or confirmed to be Xau-Tak. What if another of those pieces had ended up on Hallow and so the Icyene had to fight against an undead army of sea monsters. Xau-Tak and their forces certainly seem like they'd be unable to be reasoned with too.
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23-Nov-2017 21:48:26 - Last edited on 24-Nov-2017 21:22:42 by MystLunaris

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Elf of Seren said:
I was just asking if it was feasible. A simple "yes" or "no" would have sufficed, followed by logic. You've gone a bit overboard

Well I like to be detailed and there were a lot of points to cover and I wanted to be sure that anyone else reading this knew where I was coming from.
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24-Nov-2017 07:07:47

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Sodden Hound said:
With the revealing of Hallow's status as an astral rune plane, and how sentient life is influenced by the magical energy the plane's alignment-.. Well, night and day would be things are nice astral concepts, so if the icyene are day, the other species was probably just like... a night version, I'd say.


I can't really get behind that either, as cool as it would be it wouldn't make sense. The Icyene would inhabit the light side of the planet and that race would inhabit the dark side. So what reason would they actually have to clash against each other? It's not like they'd really be competing for land and they'd be at a disadvantage if they tried to fight each other in the light or dark anyway.
Even if the aggression was only while they were both migrating, Saradomin creating New Domina would've ended most of the conflict but even after making it they were still fighting.

"That being said, does anyone have any headcanon for why so many connections between the two races?"

I think most of it is just coincidence really.
After one of the Runefet livestreams showed the army compositions of Saradomin's army used Icyene as a flying and bombarding force, the oppositional flying and bombarding force on the Zarosian and Zamorakian sides were likely mainly composed of Vampyres so they'd just end up fighting each other time and time again in battle due to sheer circumstance.
This probably lead many of the Vampyres to have a hatred of the Icyene and vice-versa and so the takeover of Hallowvale was probably partly done to spite the Icyene and partly because from previous battles the Vampyres knew they were one of the few races that could kill them.
Bloodpouncers, are probably not actually canonical like Skypouncers are, however if they are canonical then I'd assume they were made by the Vampyres from Skypouncers left in Hallowvale when they took over using some kind of Haemalchemy in a similar way to the Mutated bloodvel
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24-Nov-2017 16:18:13 - Last edited on 24-Nov-2017 22:00:51 by MystLunaris

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Elf of Seren said:
^This works for me, but how would you explain Wyrd's only coming from Icyene? That has to be more than just some Haelalchemy (however you spell it), since it's racially specific, and seems to not discriminate, unless it's another Zamorakian curse, like Chaos Dwarves.


Well, I think that's just kind of how it works. Wyrds are just Icyene that have been transformed into Vampyres. You'd probably get many other similarly unique subspecies of Vampyre from many other races being transformed into Vampyres e.g
Vampyre Ilujanka
Vampyre Avernic and Chthonian demons (Which may be what the Mutated Bloodvelds actually are)
Vampyre Fairies
Vampyre Centaurs
Vampyre Ourgs
etc
You can see how all of these races would become vastly different if they too were Vampyrised (I also really want to see a Vampyre Fairy and Vampyre Ourg now).
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24-Nov-2017 19:48:11 - Last edited on 24-Nov-2017 19:59:57 by MystLunaris

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Suehtam said:
I have two hypotheses:
Lamia/Gorgon
: half human half-snake (similar to Medusa in Greek mythology) would be a natural predator of the Icyene and worship to the night. Although their have reptilian appearance they are warm-blooded creatures and more closely related to birds in the evolutionary scale. They're also an eusocial species, similar to bee or ants. That have adapted to the cold living in some of the Hallowed Isles.


Again though, Hallow is a world made mostly of water how would they get around the planet and how would they pose any threat once Saradomin had created New Domina?
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04-Dec-2017 06:34:14

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I explained my 2 theroies earlier but I'll reiterate them since I added one of them way after making the orginal post and I'm not sure anyone ended up going back to read them.
1) A peice of the being Guthix exploded with the blade, which is believed to be Xau-Tak, landed in the oceans of Hallow and started building a necromantic army from dead sea life and any other corpses that ended up in the ocean.
2) A race simmilar to the Kreegans from might and magic landed on Hallow.
This race was hugely technologically advanced and had built scapeships to travel from planet to planet stripping all the planets of raw materials including organic materials.
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04-Dec-2017 10:05:23 - Last edited on 04-Dec-2017 11:57:29 by MystLunaris

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Suehtam said:
I think it's possible that some of these islands could have underground connections through tunnels


I'd thought about that earlier myself, but it wouldn't make that much sense, with such a limited level of travel any race using underground tunnels wouldn't really be able to be any kind of threat to the Icyene. They'd only be able to go to a few islands at a time, meaning the Icyene could just avoid those islands and never have to deal with them. They'd also likely be a very small population as they wouldn't really have access to much food, although this food shortage may lead to desperation in trying to attack the Icyene it'd also make them far too weak to pose a threat to the Icyene.
Lastly, if they rely on a series of underground tunnels, the tunnels can just be filled on or flooded something that may happen naturally during high tides, this would again kill off even more of their population and also be a very easy way of wiping them out in a fight.
Not to mention any race in such a desperate postition as that would probably be very easy to reason with and create a peaceful agreement with that would benefit both races.

Suehtam said:

and I also forgot to mention that they ceased to be a threat after Saradomin founded New Domina, sorry about that.

Well, we know that whatever race the Icyene were fighting against were still a threat after Saradomin founded New Domina. So whatever race they were fighting against must've had some flight capabilities or some high powered weaponry capable of shooting the whole city out of the sky.
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05-Dec-2017 08:59:49 - Last edited on 05-Dec-2017 10:28:08 by MystLunaris

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Lord Pyro I said:
Given that this species and the Icyene both existed long before Saradomin arrived it has to be assumed that their extinction was either not necessary or only became necessary because of something that occurred because of Saradomin's arrival.


I don't think it was ever explicitly stated that both races existed on Hallow long before Saradomin arrived, but if you do have a source that shows otherwise that'd be useful.
I do like the idea though that Saradomin may have had a similar interaction with them as he had with the Naragi. E.g. he appears in front of them and ask them to worship him, then he gets annoyed and attacks them again, then maybe they have an Elder artifact or something and get close to killing him with it so he runs off to the Icyene and gets them to fight for him by convincing them that the other race wants to wipe them out.

I don't think that's actually what happened though as that goes against a lot of how I think the mods have been trying to write Saradomin, however, it would be interesting if that is what happened.
At the very least I'm just going to assume there's some other Dimension of Disaster where that did happen.
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