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Zaros vs. Zamorak isn't going to be what everyone expects. It's probably gonna be like

Hello Zamorak, it's been a while. It's good to see you've taken care of yourself, though I can't say you've done the same for the Mahjarrat.


YOU... You are alive, but how?!


That is of little importance now. You have felt the same thing I have, and there are more pressing issues to attend to.


You.. are right. Something is wrong. It's Mother Mah, isn't it? She's real, and she's awake.


From there we have to mitigate Zamorak and Zaros to work together to solve whatever problem is going on with Mah, how to stop her from destroying Freneskae... etc.

I also wonder if Sliske will be there, after the events of Kindred Spirits...
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27-May-2016 07:08:35 - Last edited on 27-May-2016 07:09:22 by Sepulchre

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Doctor Salt said:
We find out the super secret real truth about the betrayal. Offscreen.
Nope. Either I get a cutscene or I start a riot.
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27-May-2016 07:27:46

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Well they're interesting theories for sure, but...

*According to Mod Raven, we probably won't realize the effects of Sliskes attempt on our soul until the Endgame. Even if it happens in this quest, there's no guarantee Zaros or Zamorak can do anything for us. Guthixs Blessing may end up coming back to bite us if they try.
*Aye, I predict this as well. I don't believe Zamorak and Zaros will come to blows at all. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if WE have to step in and make sure Zamorak doesn't try to go after Zaros. Even by Jagex standards, killing off either god would be pure idiocy. Mahjarrat, on the other hand...
*Yes! I very much foresee both Ravensworn title-holder exclusive dialogue and a (maybe not so) hidden Xau-Tak teaser.
*Last I had heard, Sliske may not even BE in this quest except as a minor character (like his role in Nomads Elegy). Though I suspect that like Elegy, he'll make a cameo appearance near the end.
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27-Jul-2016 05:17:00

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Hazeel said:
Since when is Seren in FOTG2?
Well to be fair, Seren IS from Freneskae, she's the "light" to Zaros' "darkness," both created by Mah. If Zaros can sense that something is amiss on Freneskae, I'd imagine Seren is too.
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28-Jul-2016 05:03:50

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Hazeel said:
Sepulchre said:
Hazeel said:
Since when is Seren in FOTG2?
Well to be fair, Seren IS from Freneskae, she's the "light" to Zaros' "darkness," both created by Mah. If Zaros can sense that something is amiss on Freneskae, I'd imagine Seren is too.


I doubt he's sensing it, I'm pretty sure it's because Freneskae is his base of operations. Seren hates Freneskae and the Mahjarrat, so I doubt she'd be interested.
Then how does Zamorak find out?
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28-Jul-2016 08:36:07

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Maiden China said:
Lethalintent said:
Aig123 said:
If Zamorak were to die on Freneksae, would it rejuvenate all those present? Mah for instance?


No, I don't think so. He's escaped his races fatal flaw, so he can neither benefit from a Ritual nor can the Mahjarrat benefit specifically killing him for a rejuvenation.
isn't the ritual stone required for a rejuvenation anyway? I feel like all the power would just be wasted if it isnt channeled through the stone

also, if it did rejuvenate mah, it would be on such a small scale relative to her power that it wouldn't be noticeable at all
Well not necessarily. Originally, the Mahjarrat Ritual of Rejuvenation was given to the Mahjarrat by Seren. The real purpose of this was to give the power Mah poured into the Mahjarrat back to Mah. Whether this required a marker or if Seren just gave it to them as part of an act, I'm not certain. It is possible that when Zaros gave them a new marker, he gave it a new power.

You are right though, that as strong as Zamorak is, it's nothing compared to Mah. That being said though, pure divine energy from the Catalyst could prove more useful to Mah than we believe.
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29-Jul-2016 04:58:21

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Sir Ike said:
Lethalintent said:
Sir Ike said:
No one disagreed with my claim that Zamorak would be more effective at dealing with Mah due to his practical skillet and military genius, so I'll assume it's quite accurate.

Zaros is like a rich guy with a low total level...wouldn't trust him at a boss


Don't assume you're correct because you're not met with resistance :P

Seren is the best when it comes to dealing with Mah. Well, was. Zaros can't tolerate her, and Zamoraks brute force military mindset would be utterly ineffective.

Power wise Zaros is unrivaled, and even he as mentioned at Runefest couldn't scratch an elder god if using every ounce of power he has at his disposal against one.

No amount of combat strategy or stealth, which is all Zamorak has apart from weaker god power which I've already explained will do crap all, can stop a beast like Mah if she has you in her sights while tearing apart the world you're on, which I assume will be our setting.



Oh come now, who said anything about brute force alone? And who's to say combat strategy will do nothing? We don't know. I'm betting someone will discover some ancient secret, a killswitch in the wind up toy that is an elder god. Who will discover it? I'm not sure, hopefully the Lord of Chaos will.

And I still think Zaros is a noob. He robbed Mah and spent the money on treasure hunter keys lolol
Then Zamorak robbed him and spent the money on RuneCoins. That moustache is obviously a cosmetic override.
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01-Aug-2016 04:57:51

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Hazeel said:
Or...maybe instead of reviving Mah, what if we used the rituals to destroy her? What if Enakhra was used to conduct the Ritual of Enervation over and over? Naturally Hazeel would be the mate, being the most devilishly handsome of the Mahjarrat. Soon, Freneskae would be filled with thousands of little Hazeels until Mah's energy was used up and she was nothing.
When you realize Hazeel just suggested gangbanging Enakhra.
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01-Aug-2016 04:59:11

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Aig123 said:
Lynxlynx said:
You mean that he would start respecting Zaros again just like that? Would that make for a great story?At least I don't think so.


Out of context. Zaros' survival further proving Zamoraks ideology is deserving of merit.
Overall respect however, that is up for grabs since there are bigger fish to fry.
Respecting someone doesn't mean you have to like them. You can hate somebody so much the mere mention of them gets your blood pressure spiking to medical emergency levels. That doesn't mean you don't respect them.

Zamorak doesn't have to be like "Ermahgerd Zaros I'm serry I betreyed yoo! Notice me Senpie!" to respect Zaros. To acknowledge the power and cunning it took to survive, and to return at (possibly) full power unnoticed, that would be respect enough.
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09-Aug-2016 05:26:24 - Last edited on 09-Aug-2016 05:26:56 by Sepulchre

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Well we know Khazard (or Moia, technically) is the youngest of the Mahjarrat we know, but they've never really made "age" for a Mahjarrat clear aside from that.
If you listen to their voices (I know, not "lore" per se, but it's technically an official in-game source) Hazeel, Zemouregal, Zamorak, and Azzanadra sound the oldest to me. Wahisietel, Akthanakos, and Enakhra sound to be mature, but not quite as old as the others. Sliske and Khazard sound the youngest to me, they seem to have the most youthful exuberance behind their voices, from my perspective.
Granted this could all be just from the choice of voice actor/actress playing them, or the kind of voice given to the character by that person, but that's the only thing I can think of to determine a living beings age.

As for the Muspah thing, it seems quite obvious that none of the Mahjarrat we've met have ever encountered a Muspah in their lifetime. Now, pertaining to fear of Muspah...

"The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown." - H.P. Lovecraft

Now I know we're not talking about humans, we're talking about Mahjarrat. I'm going to commit a lore sin here and remind you that the creators of these characters ARE human. I assume the Mahjarrat act as humans, because at the end of the day, they are the brainchild of humans. Anyway.. Muspah were spoke of in legend, only in what I can imagine are horror stories for Mahjarrat. Muspah are like the boogeyman for them, except they come from a planet that many would call a waking nightmare.
I'm not saying that all Mahjarrat have an irrational fear of the Muspah, I'm saying that for them it might not be all that irrational.
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16-Aug-2016 04:55:40

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Lethalintent said:
Lynxlynx said:
Where and how do people think the quest will start. With Seren, or maybe Zaros or Zamorak. Or maybe a mahjarrat. Or someone/something else

My bet is on Seren


Azzanadra I think. He's always been a fantastic goto for quest starters.
Aye, I feel like Azzanadra is one of Jagex's go-to guys for "How do we start this quest/How do we move this quest along?" It happened quite a few times in the Mahjarrat and Return of Zaros questlines.
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23-Aug-2016 05:58:43

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Lynxlynx said:
Aig123 said:
Lynxlynx said:
Aig123 said:
Shadow Realm for added security, but I was mostly referring to the inner circle, not the entirety of Bandit camp.

No doubt we could deal with the examiners regardless.
Remember how Azzanadra dealt with that one guy upon leaving the pyramid.

'While his face lasted, that is'. -Azzy.


So you mean they should "deal with" everyone on the digsite? D:


In the extreme case that they become an obstacle, that words alone can't deter.
Remember how calm and collected Azzy was during his entrance in TWW.


I get your point
Three things.
First and foremost, you need to change your text colour. Dark blue on darker blue is a no, and eventually I'm just gonna ignore your posts.
Secondly, screw your signature, you just made me
lose the game.

Thirdly.. After demonstrating our ability to convince the Curator of the Digsite to allow Azza- err, Dr. Nabanik to dig out the Temple, I think we could convince him to tell his crew to leave us be.
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24-Aug-2016 05:20:29 - Last edited on 24-Aug-2016 05:21:05 by Sepulchre

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Talonstalker said:
Sepulchre said:
Lethalintent said:
Lynxlynx said:
Where and how do people think the quest will start. With Seren, or maybe Zaros or Zamorak. Or maybe a mahjarrat. Or someone/something else

My bet is on Seren


Azzanadra I think. He's always been a fantastic goto for quest starters.
Aye, I feel like Azzanadra is one of Jagex's go-to guys for "How do we start this quest/How do we move this quest along?" It happened quite a few times in the Mahjarrat and Return of Zaros questlines.
I believe that the quest should start at Kharshai. He tries to help the mahjarrat, would be nice if he comments about the player alliance to one of the two Z's.

I do hope we get to help Kharshai in his quest, for those that like both Zimzam and Zaros, should be interresting.
I may be a diehard Zarosian, but if the option comes up to try and work with Kharshai to get the Mahjarrat to stop needlessly driving themselves to extinction, I'm all over it.
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26-Aug-2016 07:54:26

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Hazeel said:
Maiden China said:
I sort of dislike kharshai because he makes azzykins look far less reasonable


He claims violence is foolish just shortly after laughing about melting some guys face off for laughing.
As if you wouldn't do the exact same thing if given a chance, Hazeel. :P
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27-Aug-2016 05:27:30

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Dennorak said:
Lynxlynx said:
Just throwing out a wild theory here.

Could it be that we for some reason must travel to Infernius or some other world apart from Freneskae either during or post-FOTG2?

I would find that highly unlikely.
I have to agree with Den, I don't see a trip to anywhere but Freneskae (maybe Tarddiad IF Seren is involved) happening in this quest.

Though for Infernus, I suspect Zamorak will have us going there soon enough.
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27-Aug-2016 05:29:35

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I believe Seren is a play off the word Serene. Given this word and what it means, I'd suspect that Seren was the name she was given by the Elves. It just seems to fit in with the general ideals and the speaking manner of the Elves, a word like Serene.

In the old Latvian language, Zaros is the plural of the word zars. Zars, in Latvian, roughly translates to "branch" in English, and Zaros is only the plural form of zars when zars is used in the context of a physical branching off, like a pathway that splits in two directions. Whether this is what Jagex meant, I don't know. Though it does make sense as Zaros is a branch off of the tree of the Elders, and certainly an outstretched branch when compared to the other Young Gods. Perhaps he chose this name for himself when he learned the Demonic tongue, Latin.. Latvian.. Jagex might've confused them? :P

Alternatively, it is possible Mah gave them their names, and they somehow just knew them upon their creation. I can't recall now, but somebody go back and check the flashback from Within the Light and see if Zaros or Seren actually ever refer to each other by name or just 'Brother' and 'Sister.'
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29-Aug-2016 05:37:46 - Last edited on 29-Aug-2016 05:41:40 by Sepulchre

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Lethalintent said:
Cthris said:
^ that cutscene is kinda fucked though. For one thing they are using language even though Zaros said he never used/had it before meeting mortals. Either he's lying or the cutscene isn't accurate.

I liken it to a story rather than a flashback. It's Zaros' interpretation of events told in a way we can understand. Neither name would likely gave existed before meeting mortals if Zaros is telling the truth.


I'm not sure lying about being able to use language before Infernus would be at all worth lying about really, I'd agree with your idea that it's more tailored so we can understand it instead of a 100% representation of all the small rather unimportant details of how it happened.
Besides, that cutscene is actually showed as a flashback to us by Seren, not by Zaros. After she asks us if 'Zaros had a hand in her revival,' she shows it to us.
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30-Aug-2016 05:01:18

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Ancient Drew said:
Sepulchre said:
I believe Seren is a play off the word Serene. Given this word and what it means, I'd suspect that Seren was the name she was given by the Elves. It just seems to fit in with the general ideals and the speaking manner of the Elves, a word like Serene.
Seren is actually Welsh for 'star', which I think suits her alignment with light. All the elves and their language are derived from Welsh as well, and I think the gnomes had made up their own dialect from the elves' language.
That makes more sense. It's funny too, I remembered full well that the Elven language was based off of Welsh, yet to check for the word actually being Welsh never occurred to me.
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30-Aug-2016 05:06:23

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Lynxlynx said:
I have changed my mind. I agree that the quest should start in the Senntisten temple.

Part of the reason is that i have thought about it a bit, and also because Azzanadra in the Senntisten temple says :
"We shall contact you when you are needed"
at the end of the conversation about Zaros's return
Good point, I never thought of this.
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01-Sep-2016 04:48:38

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Lynxlynx said:
I think we have to expect that someone dies, or at least that we get the choice to kill or spare someone. The question is:
"WHO?"
Mah. Elder Gods CAN die.
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02-Sep-2016 04:43:58

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Lynxlynx said:
Somewhere i read that all the elder artefacts are known to be "Double-edged swords". What do you think are the "bad thing" with the Measure, maybe something we get to either know or experience during FOTG2.
Well I believe we know why that is for 2 of the Elder Artifacts.

The Catalyst: Pretty obvious, the Dragonkin. The more you use it, the closer they come to being able to wreck your False User ass.
The Locator: You can sense other Artifacts, but anybody with another Artifact can sense you as well. I believe it only senses by world, not exact locations.

For two of the others (The Siphon and The Blade) I believe that improper use could be the double-edge referred to. Guthix cut too deep into the Void and could've had Gielinor swallowed up or invaded by Zaros only knows what. The Siphon almost proved disastrous for Zamorak, who's to say the power couldn't have flowed the opposite way?
As for The Kiln, in order to make any real use of it, you'd need to throw yourself into the lava.

I can't really guess a double-edge for The Measure. Unless using it somehow interrupts or corrupts the flow of Divine energy/Anima when used to sense it?
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06-Sep-2016 06:07:25

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Also, I think we've seen enough to know the definite downside to the Mirror, at least for the Dragonkin. I image the transfer of divine energy to any other being would have different, though just as terrible, results. A
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09-Sep-2016 06:06:03

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Hguoh said:
Lynxlynx said:
Somewhere i read that all the elder artefacts are known to be "Double-edged swords". What do you think are the "bad thing" with the Measure, maybe something we get to either know or experience during FOTG2.


To add on to Sepulchre's comment, the drawback of the crown/locater is that it let's everybody else with an artifact know where you are.
Yes, I... I said that in my comment...
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09-Sep-2016 06:07:02

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Cthris said:
Maiden China said:
AesirWarrior said:
Maiden China said:
AesirWarrior said:
The measure's drawback could just be how ridiculously weak it is.
a joke, probably, but if not, you should imagine the elder artefacts as screwdrivers... yes, you can stab someone's eye out with them but that's not what they're designed for


And do you think these drawbacks are an intentional part of their design, or just a side effect of these tools being used as weapons/by mortals? I highly doubt it's the former.

Thus, from our perspective, the measure's weakness is a "drawback".
the SOJ's 'drawback' was intentional... and added after its creation. I imagine around the same time they added drawbacks to the other artefacts

Do you mean the addiction...? I don't recall any source that said that the Stone of Jas had a draw back added to it post creation. Mind sharing? :D
He's referring to the Dragonkin. The "addiction" isn't even confirmed to be true. If it were, Guthix would have been hopelessly addicted.
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12-Sep-2016 04:40:55

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Dennorak said:
I just had this thought earlier, but if Zamorak/Zaros do end up working together like most assume will happen vs Mah, I think Kharshai could be an important character in terms of bridging the gap with the Zamorakians/Zarosians.
Indeed, I've been hoping this was the case since I heard of the quest. Let's just hope the expected death doesn't turn out to be Kharshai... that would be a waste of so much story potential.
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15-Sep-2016 06:27:17

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Ahtelhrax said:
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Here's some of the information that was revealed during the 'Rest of 2016' RuneFest session about the upcoming Fate of the Gods 2 quest!


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Quest Title - Children of Mah



Requirements



Required
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• Dishonour Among Thieves
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• Fate of the Gods
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• The Light Within

Recommended
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• Ritual of the Mahjarrat
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• The World Wakes


Throne Room (work in progress)



Kharshai Graphical Update



General Information
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• Release in November
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• There'll be a pre-release preview event/mini-quest
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• Will go into more detail about the nature of the Mahjarrat, and their future
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• It'll take us to the home world of the Mahjarrat (brand new area)
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• It'll have us spending a lot of time learning more about the Mahjarrat
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• We'll be able to witness the Zamorak/Zaros betrayal in detail
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• Possibility of fun rewards like bobbleheads


Infooooooooo! :D



Sooo....Freneskae isn't the mahjarrat homeworld????
It is. There's a new area in Freneskae that we'll be visiting.
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19-Sep-2016 10:11:44

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Rondstat said:
Does anyone remember that old theory that Zaros and Zamorak had something romantic going on?

Man, that would have been great to see.
So your theory is that Zaros wanted Zamorak to poke him with his.. staff? ;)
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