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Hazeel said:
Wahi is ignorant and things Muspah don't exist. From what we've heard, it sounds like they're roughly equals to what the Mahjarrat were back in the day since they are looked at as formidable enemies. As to whether it would work...it's possible, albeit redundant since portals are a thing.


I don't know if they were ever considered formidable enemies. iIRC the only reason the mahjarrat feared them... Was because they looked scary. Wahi points out that in reality a creature with that body (which he at the time doesn't
believe exists, but the point still stands) would actually be really easy to defeat.

"As fearsome as it appears, it would actually be fairly easy to destroy. It is a terror of the mind, not of the flesh."
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

12-Aug-2016 14:57:35

AesirWarrior

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Hazeel said:
Well the choice is sacrifice someone or let the Muspah kill them. Assuming that every single one of them has an irrational fear of them is just ridiculous.


No, not at all, because the vast majority of mahjarrat would never ever fight or even see one. Muspah are so rare that Wahisietel believed they were just a myth. In fact, the last muspah sighting was thousands of years before his birth. Their features,danger, etc, could easily have been exaggerated over the millenia. It's the boogeyman of their culture, with loose ties to reality.

Anyway, they could have been a threat in the past, only in large numbers, or not at all, but I think we can all agree they're not a threat now.


To get more on topic here's some of my thoughts on the quest:

- I still don't think the, erm, "synopsis" that we have so far for Fotg2 makes a lot of sense. Mah was clawing her way through the abyss to Gielinor, and for her to suddenly change her mind and realise that she has to go back to the source to create her very own universe seems like it came out of nowhere. I really hope the watch know what they're doing and make sure the quest flows naturally rather than make it some forced end of the world scenario just for "epicness".
- Khazard's father will probably be revealed, and I bet my entire Gower Quest reward (15 gp!) that it's Zamorak. Hazeel being his mentor, and Osborne's q&a comment about him being a "powerful zamorakian" would make perfect sense if that was the case.
- I'm also willing to bet my Cook's assistant reward (500gp!!!) that neither Zamorak nor Zaros will die.
- If this quest doesn't have awesome cutscenes with superhero movie special effects, the lore community will riot.
- The official name should be Twilight of the Gods.
- Unless Jagex wishes to retcon the "can't be killed" thing about elder gods, then I wonder how they'd defeat mah, if at all. Beat her until she's comatose? Trick her?
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

14-Aug-2016 00:00:19

AesirWarrior

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Hazeel said:
They weren't "rare", they simply stopped coming by Wahisietel's time


- That's just semantics. It was RARE to encounter one and honestly there doesn't seem to be a lot of them either way.

- I'd say he made a clearly logical conclusion based on the fact that a: they hadn't been seen in millenia and b: their anatomy made no sense. How should he know that a primordial elder god actually existed, when the only "proof" they had were myths.

- Completely subjective, it could easily have been exaggerated over time, might be to mahjarrat for all we know etc.

- Debatable whether lvls are actually relevant, but I agree they are powerful. If they're powerful enough to threaten mahjarrat is another question.

Anyway I suppose we could use the overused phrase and "agree to disagree"
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

14-Aug-2016 01:32:17 - Last edited on 14-Aug-2016 01:35:51 by AesirWarrior

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(I know I kind of said I wouldn't continue this debate, but I couldn't resist. It's interesting for some reason.)

- His muspah appearance doesn't really look like the real deal. It just has vaguely the same slug-like shape. I suppose you could argue that's just because of outdated graphics though.




- As for art, we do have at least one Muspah statue, though that was probably made on Gielinor.


- Also, Jhallan's dialogue heavily implies he's never seen one personally:

Yes, I was also taken by surprise by that, if you recall. During my slumber, I must have dreamt of the Muspah: a horrific creature from my people's imagination. It is a mythical being from our folk tales.

EDIT:

- I imagine with Azzanadra it might just be that his crush on Zaros heavily outweighs any respect he has/had for his own culture. Though him being young seems likely.

- I'd be willing to make a compromise and agree that they might have been a threat in very large numbers (assuming they ever were that common), but i do not believe an individual muspah or just a handful would be.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

15-Aug-2016 17:52:01 - Last edited on 15-Aug-2016 18:05:17 by AesirWarrior

AesirWarrior

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I just assumed they made them up once they learned language. Before that I think they just communicated telepathically so names wouldn't matter. -
I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

27-Aug-2016 22:57:09

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Dennorak said:
Maiden China said:
the avernic didnt overcome the cthonians... they just threw zamorak at them and hoped for the bestHazeel said:
No.
Kerapac called. He's sueing you for copyright infringement.


and technically zamorak burned down a village, not a city

Now I am no history expert... But im pretty sure Zamorak didn't defeat every Chthonian by himself. The Avernic overcame them with the help of Zamorak and other mahjarrat. No they didn't do it alone, but they didn't just throw Zamorak at them and hide.


If Zamorak could do it all singlehandedly I'm not sure it would have lasted 19 years. I imagine his military expertise played just as big a role as his actual magical power.

It was a war, and Zamorak was the nuke.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

01-Sep-2016 08:40:50

AesirWarrior

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Maiden China said:
AesirWarrior said:
The measure's drawback could just be how ridiculously weak it is.
a joke, probably, but if not, you should imagine the elder artefacts as screwdrivers... yes, you can stab someone's eye out with them but that's not what they're designed for


And do you think these drawbacks are an intentional part of their design, or just a side effect of these tools being used as weapons/by mortals? I highly doubt it's the former.

Thus, from our perspective, the measure's weakness is a "drawback".
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

10-Sep-2016 11:58:43

AesirWarrior

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Hang on. TLW already requires TWW, so there's no need to have that as a recommended req, and I assume we'll need Koschei's troubles for Kharshai which puts Rotm out of the way. -
I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

17-Sep-2016 17:09:04

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