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Adventurerrr said:
Bandos was a tier 3 god, and was still able to give dreams to goblins, revive Zanik, and form an tier 7 avatar on Gielinor all while not in Gielinor. Zaros wasn't the only one who was able to influence Gielinor with power. Over all he was affected, the World wake proved it, and the Q&A after that quest did also. If you believe he was trying to hide his presence, remember he was thought long dead, his followers and even his own sister. He was affected. The Edict acted as a barrier to prevent them from entering Gielinor. Zaros had a communication device/portal with Azzandra, that is a small loophole that allowed him to do whatever he did. But Zaros wasn't the only god that could influence gielinor behind the Edict. Bandos was one. Zamorak was another.


You're forgetting one thing: Bandos cheated.

For one, he could only be seen by and influence particularly sensitive goblins, such as Hopespear or Grubfoot. That's on the goblins, not Bandos, who was only scrying (that's why Andil can sense Zanik when she uses the scrying pool despite Zanik not being a god).

For two, he could only manifest his avatar on Gielinor by imbuing a pendent with a significant chunk of his power before having an entirely mortal goblin carry it across the Edicts barrier for him.

And as for Zamorak, he was stuck trying to claw his way through to Gielinor at the spot where the planar boundaries were weakest. And even then, we don't know if the whispers Bilrach and other denizens of Daemonheim heard were Zamorak or the Rift itself since the Schism on Teragard (which shares all sorts of traits with the Rift, seeming to be the same sort of thing if not the same thing, and also whispers to those near it).

Zaros was able to take what Bandos had (a method to communicate with someone) and directly affect Gielinor with his own power (not influence someone else to do it, or sneak some part of his power across first).

27-Feb-2018 21:04:31

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Adventurerrr said:
On SE, I am 100% sure it is because Sliske was too cocky he didn't see how his plan was flawed, even a Dragonkin was able to bypass the teleportation. BEfore you point out elder artifact, Saradomin has the crown. As for Seren saving us, remember she said it was very difficult to do so, we have no clue how she did so, she could have levitated a rock under us, or used so much power that it could kill a normal mortal. Like Death of Chivalry, Saradomin said, We aren't far from the reach of the gods.


The Dragonkin are both not gods, and Jas's servants. So I fail to see why it's significant that they weren't affected by magic designed to affect gods by Jas. They are the most familiar with the designer and thus the most likely to have a loophole.

As for Zaros, however, there's a potential meeting in the maze between him and Zamorak where it is revealed that his loyalty aura is still active, indicating that the de-godding magic of the maze hadn't actually affected him. This would explain why he was able to avoid expulsion at the end of the maze and indicates Seren to be similarly capable.

There is a strong indication that T2 gods or higher can entirely bypass god-nullifying magic if they wish to/are prepared to. Saradomin blasting us, took a shot that would have killed anybody else and reduced it to no damage and just a bit of knock-back. Seren saving us, on the other hand, occurs off-screen, but we are kept entirely safe by her (not even any damage from impacting too hard or getting splashed by lava). Challenging for her, perhaps, but this is the god whose temper tantrum later threatens our and the Mahjarrat's lives (shaking the earth) after dishing out a magic attack that finished an elder god. So she certainly didn't seem tired in the least, which indicates she could have gotten around it plenty more times.

27-Feb-2018 21:18:18 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2018 21:19:04 by Hguoh

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Vorago wasn't a god either and he was kicked out, Death wasn't a god eitehr and he was kicked out. So eitehr way, Sliske problem, he is too cocky, he thought an elder god guidance would make his maze and himself powerful. I mean we did sabotage his his shadow realm device.

Guthix edict affected Zaros. he could not enter Gielinor, if he wanted to, he would have done it long ago to talk to Guthix, because again, he was thought dead, so he had no reason to hide. Again the world wake informs us he is affected, even Jmods in it's Q&A confirmed this. Our world guardian power works on all gods, just to a point, where we can die from their blast, we can't be saved by them unless they use other means or really try hard. (again seren method was unknown)

Bandos didn't cheat, he just found another way. if he cheated, so did Zaros because he finally had a device to be communicated with. Zamorak also did influence, he revived a dead child of Karamjan rulers.
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27-Feb-2018 22:09:02 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2018 22:12:22 by Adventurerrr

Hguoh
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Adventurerrr said:
Vorago wasn't a god either and he was kicked out, Death wasn't a god eitehr and he was kicked out. So eitehr way, Sliske problem, he is too cocky, he thought an elder god guidance would make his maze and himself powerful. I mean we did sabotage his his shadow realm device.


Vorago was successfully disconnected from the Anima by the anti-god spell. It's no surprise that a spell based around the same concept would also affect him.

Death's a fair point, but, again, I also pointed to the Kin's familiarity with Jas as a reason they'd be able to get around a magic she designed.

And, again, the important bit is that Zaros was able to annul the de-godding magic on himself as demonstrated by his loyalty aura still functioning. The same magic Seren claimed was of the same type as Guthix's Edicts and our World Guardian barrier.

Adventurerrr said:
Guthix edict affected Zaros. he could not enter Gielinor, if he wanted to, he would have done it long ago to talk to Guthix, because again, he was thought dead, so he had no reason to hide. Again the world wake informs us he is affected, even Jmods in it's Q&A confirmed this. Our world guardian power works on all gods, just to a point, where we can die from their blast, we can't be saved by them unless they use other means or really try hard. (again seren method was unknown)


Except that would mean traveling the universe in a very vulnerable form for the second time (this time while actually conscious) to talk with a god who has clear reason not to like other gods (just from the events on Gielinor). And I'm not saying they aren't affected at all, I'm sure circumventing/annulling it costs some power/concentration. In instances where they are surprised by it (choosing to expel Zaros after letting him in) it works just fine. But if it is just active consistently, they can, and have, clearly gotten around it.

27-Feb-2018 22:20:32

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Around it yes, but not physically able to bypass it nonetheless. You're right, Zaros would need to travel the universe, but remember; If the edict didn't affect him "to a degree" he could have opened a portal strong enough for him to enter Gielinor. WE also need to remember that while on Freneskae, Zaros drained power from the muspahs spawned by Mah's nightmares to sustain himself. This was first hinted by Kharshai claiming that Zaros' power was stronger than he had been in a long time. Remember the edict is a barrier that keeps them physically out of Gielinor.

There are ways to bypass the Edict, Bandos, Zamorak, and even Zaros demonstrated it. They can't physically be there, but some of their power can influence the world by a small amount.

Also Seren theorized it was like the Edict of Guthix, or the World guardian power she didn't say it was; she just thought it was either Guthix who knew how (because she also felt the spell) or it was Us (somehow). But it wasn't, it was just Jas who had taken away the gods power. Maybe it was her alone, or maybe it was Sliske who did the work, but remember; Vorago was not a god nonetheless, his connection was removed, because Sliske knew what he was. We can't assume the kin knew it was Jas. But we can't say their didn't either.

If it was Jas, then she purposely let the actions in Sliske endgame happen to see what would happen. If it was sliske doing most of the work with instructions, then it proves he was just too cocky and didn't see the flaw of the spell.
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27-Feb-2018 23:07:19

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