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Chaos Lupus

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Ascertes said:
The gaps between the tiers may not be equal.

I.E., changing from tier 8 to tier 7 would be easier than T3 to T2. Sort of the same concept of how RS regular levels work.


This is basically what I said in-game. Mods have said that the elder gods are to the young gods what the young gods are to mortals. The difference in power probably isn't quite on the same level, but the same basic logic applies. An individual occupying the lowest tier may not be outclassed by someone in the tier just above it by all that much, but among the higher tiers someone could be exponentially more powerful than someone just one tier below them. Especially if they're at the top and bottom of each tier's sliding scale.

This ranking also takes a variety of factors into account, not just the individual's raw power.
The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

19-Sep-2016 02:52:45 - Last edited on 19-Sep-2016 02:53:27 by Chaos Lupus

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@ Darkest

Game mechanics are clearly very different than canon. You can't trust everything that's visualized, otherwise people would be capable of taking multiple arrows to the face, survive being hacked to pieces, etc. And combat levels/damage would be ridiculous, as we have plenty of cases where NPC's like foxes are stronger than grizzly bears. Also, several mods have outright stated that they're two completely separate things.
The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

20-Sep-2016 05:03:55

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Hazeel said:
Chaos Lupus said:
Game mechanics are clearly very different than canon. You can't trust everything that's visualized, otherwise people would be capable of taking multiple arrows to the face, survive being hacked to pieces, etc.


Next you'll have men turning into wolves and Gods blasting kamehamehas at each other!

...But seriously, it's a fantasy world, we should treat it like life. Power levels are more prevelant in RS than DBZ at this point and there's so much ridiculousness that would never pass in the real world that of course it's not going to be realistic.

In this case, our explanation is that prayer magically protects us from arrows and melee weapons. You're not going to have a good time if you try to find a realistic way to explain that.


There's a difference between fantasy tropes being used to benefit the story and breaking basic laws of nature and physics just for the sake of it. In this case, the latter isn't necessary, as there is a distinction between canon occurrences and gameplay mechanics. We're not actually carrying around and eating twenty bowls of soup in the middle of fighting for our lives.

Prayer can canonically increase your potency in combat, that's very different to canonically taking a hundred arrows to the face.
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20-Sep-2016 05:49:09

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@ Xiaoqing

"it's based on both logic and the fact that you'd never heard of tiffy being a great warrior. if he was on par with arrav or torva, you'd have heard about it"

^ Not necessarily. The events surrounding people often play a larger role in their notoriety than their actual skill. Prior to RotM, Tiffy was never in a position where he'd have to play a vital role in protecting his city against a Mahjarrat. Arrav also has the added bonus of being acknowledged for his feats that allowed for the founding of Varrock, and Torva for fighting directly under Nex (although Torva has most likely been forgotten by the vast majority of the human population).


"i'm basing it off how hes spoken of during the curse of zaros miniquest... "Ha, when I think of someone like Lucien struggling to lift a blade, in some ways I was even their better!"'

^ Lucien has been depicted as physically weak but magically powerful. That quote also comes from an individual who was delusional at the time.
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20-Sep-2016 06:14:10 - Last edited on 20-Sep-2016 06:14:45 by Chaos Lupus

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Maiden China said:
Chaos Lupus said:
^ Lucien has been depicted as physically weak but magically powerful. That quote also comes from an individual who was delusional at the time.
youre right, yes. I'm wrong. don't have any cookies, sorry :/

you're right about the 'events surrounding' yes, but torva and arrav are practically gods made flesh while you've never heard of tiffy having any particularly extraordinary skill in combat... he would have fought against many knights in training and some of them would have mentioned that, I think

I do have a bit of a personal bias... I want him to be physically weak (although not outrageously so... just... comaprable to the average temple knight) because I think it makes him a more interesting character. Having characters that are both really smart and really good (really, really good) at combat isn't... a good plan. Having some is fine, but... not all the time.


They're certainly exceptionally skilled individuals, but I wouldn't go nearly so far as to claim them "practically gods made flesh". Arrav's greatest feats in combat, as far as we're aware, are basically besting a large number of goblins and going toe to toe with Zemouregal, who he was no match for while still living. Torva bested a pack of ripper demons and was part of a surprise attack on what had been rebuilt of Flamtaer. Other than that, we don't have much in the way of specific instances by which to judge their capabilities.
The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

20-Sep-2016 07:04:26

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