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Aslon Dak

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I support this, as it only makes sense.

If an achievement can be completed in an F2P area, with any required skills/items/quests also being available to F2P, there is no good reason to restrict the achievement to members-only. Likewise, if the achievement requires access to a P2P area, or to P2P content, then of course those achievements should remain P2P-only. Sounds reasonable, yes? That's simply what the OP and others are asking for. Clearly, the OP was not calling for ALL achievements to become F2P - only the ones that can be done by F2P, but are marked P2P-only for no good reason. Deliberately misinterpreting the OP's stated intent does nothing but expose a sad and foolish anti-F2P bias.

For newbies who may not know, and to remind those who like to forget, the free-to-play version of the game IS RuneScape. It is not a demo, or a trial version. F2P is the actual game. P2P is simply an expansion package to the main game. It is optional. People can, and do, play RS for 10 years, 15 years, or even more, without ever being a member. This month marks 14 and a half years for me. Nobody plays an actual demo for anywhere near 10+ years.

If you are P2P, what do you lose if F2P are able to claim rewards for completing F2P achievements that were previously, and wrongly, marked P2P-only? Nothing. You lose nothing. The slippery slope straw-man claim that if you let F2P have achievements, this will lead to more and more content becoming F2P until all content becomes F2P, Jagex goes bankrupt, and mods will be out on the streets with a tin cup begging for GP, is a load of crap, since:

1) Jagex will never, ever, EVER put all their P2P content into F2P. However...
2) even if they did, P2P wouldn't lose anything. They(or their parents)just wouldn't have to pay for it. :p

Even if you are P2P, you should still want a strong, healthy, vibrant F2P game. If the game RuneScape were to die off, how long do you think the expansion would be around?

09-Mar-2019 04:59:53

Konota
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What is 'urgent' to people lol?

Urgent = gamebreaking / unable to play; obviously needs fixing or updating
Urgent is not a F2P achievement task that does literally nothing, especially F2P.

Sure update could be handy but not 'urgent' ...
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18-Apr-2019 07:37:01

Draco Burnz
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Konota said:
What is 'urgent' to people lol?

Urgent = gamebreaking / unable to play; obviously needs fixing or updating
Urgent is not a F2P achievement task that does literally nothing, especially F2P.

Sure update could be handy but not 'urgent' ...


Couldn't agree more.

Well said :)
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20-Apr-2019 23:25:23

Jokku23
Jun Member 2019

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Support. I totally agree with this thread. The current system sounds like a mess, but this is an easy fix that makes perfect sense.
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25-Apr-2019 17:31:54

xxqw56chxx
Aug Member 2018

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Konota said:
What is 'urgent' to people lol?

Urgent = gamebreaking / unable to play; obviously needs fixing or updating
Urgent is not a F2P achievement task that does literally nothing, especially F2P.

Sure update could be handy but not 'urgent' ...


Would like to know as well.

29-Apr-2019 22:07:00

VaelPotatoes

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I'll chime in with some diplomatic support for this. Getting hung up on the "urgency" issue is detracting from the conversation--surely, it's not urgent, since it's obviously a quality of life fix that truly would make the game cleaner and more organized for every single player in Runescape--but that isn't tantamount to saying it's not needed sooner rather than later. If I'm cleaning up a mess that is sure to continue, I'd rather start early and eliminate future messes.

This seems like an accurate summation of the collective opposition: "I'm p2p and it works just fine for me."

This point has been iterated enough. Moving onward: a point was made some time ago about Ironmode players needing a "f2p ironmode" achievements list, as some f2p achievements are doable by regular f2p players, but not by f2p Irons. As a f2p Iron, I personally don't think this ought to be factored in or given its own demarcation here--abolishing the p2p-f2p distinction in the Achievements Diary is sufficient. Generally, Irons tend to be thick-headed and prefer to figure their limits out for themselves, or are already advanced players.
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13-Jun-2019 00:30:11

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