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GlacierBoi
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GlacierBoi

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~ Stealing Creation / New Rewards ~


(see my second post for a solution to the existence of summoning in this minigame)

Stealing Creation was a minigame that came out in Nov 2008. The game consists two teams, red and blue. Each team has a small base that the other team cannot enter. The game map is randomly populated with Mining, Woodcutting, fishing, and hunter skilling objectives. These skilling objectives were tier 1-5, and would require level 1, 20, 40, 60, 80 in the relevant skill in order to gather from it. Players could gather various tiers of clay, and deposit resources in their team's base for points.

The players also had the option of making this clay into PvP supplies (melee, range, and mage) and engaging the other team. Successful kills meant that you could loot your enemy's items and return them to your own base for extra points. Players also had the option of constructing barriers around their skilling objectives in order to protect themselves from the other team. The team with the most points at the end of the game wins.

This is an oversimplified description of the minigame. Search YT videos or check out the wiki for more.

DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT support the old rewards and I firmly believe that if this game came to oldschool, the rewards should be reworked.
Furthermore, I do not think we should use this minigame as an attempt to “smuggle” summoning or double xp into oldschool. Summoning was fun, but I do not think it was good for the game as it undermined the integrity of virtually every skill, PvP, PvM and moneymaking.

All we want is the minigame itself! With the right rewards and lore, Stealing Creation has potential to be the most played minigame in OS by miles.

Please show your support in the threads below. If you have questions or concerns, let’s talk about them reasonably! Anyone who has ideas of good reward reworks and possible lore: share them and I’ll update the posts below with your ideas!
Bring back Stealing Creation! (with reworked non-OP rewards)
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03-Sep-2019 16:52:15 - Last edited on 05-Sep-2019 16:14:16 by GlacierBoi

GlacierBoi
Apr Member 2018

GlacierBoi

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Proposal:


Add Stealing Creation to osrs, with a new set of reworked rewards. I know that there are concerns regarding the existence of summoning in the minigame. I believe this could be easily circumvented. The familiar that a player is able to summon could scale off of their total level, something like this:

No Requirement -- Tier 1 familiar
500 total level -- Tier 2 familiar
1000 total level -- Tier 3 familiar
1500 total level -- Tier 4 familiar
2000 total level -- Tier 5 familiar

This way, summoning could be kept as part of SC, as it was a part of the experience. I'm okay with polling this separately

Reward ideas:


I'm open to suggestions on rewards! I will credit you with the ideas you suggest.

--Familiar pet (with no use outside of aesthetics, obv). This pet would look really cool and would likely be highly sought after as a nod to the days of summoning. The pet would be super rare, and would help encourage people to play the game for a chance at rolling it.

--Ability to do ring imbues/slayer helm imbues with SC points. This could be made slower than NMZ, but offer a tradeoff to make getting the points more fun!

--Wilderness sawmill ticket: Currently, plankmaking is one of the most boring and useless pieces of content in osrs. This minigame could offer a new item: a wilderness sawmill ticket. For a balanced amount of points a player could take the ticket, gp, and some amount noted planks to a dangerous area in deep wildy to bulk exchange noted logs for noted planks. I believe this could be balanced to so that it is a good pking area as well as a money sink (could cost 1.5x of normal plankmaking to balance it)

--Cosmetic or non-Bis robes/dhide/armour, visually matching the SC verisons.

--Cosmetic kits for runite skilling tools & net

--Cosmetic Wieldable hammer/Harpoon

--Teleport scrolls to PvM locations in the wild

--xp tomes similar to temple trekking
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03-Sep-2019 16:52:28 - Last edited on 21-Oct-2019 22:22:02 by GlacierBoi

GlacierBoi
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Additional Reward Ideas


-The cross-minigame reward shop ( forum post by LV2 ) could offer crossover rewards for SC points

-SC themed graceful outfit recolor

-SC themed slayer helm recolor
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03-Sep-2019 16:52:35 - Last edited on 21-Oct-2019 22:26:32 by GlacierBoi

GlacierBoi
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Addressing Counter-Arguments


Argument 1: Minigames are dead content
Answer: This is the most legimate fear, but jagex's revitalization of LMS shows their willingness to address this issue. Stealing Creation is far more enjoyable than LMS, and it engages more than just PvP players.

Argument 2: "SC is rs3 content"
Answer: The stealing creation official release date was Nov 2008. The rs3 official release date was July 2013. Clearly, SC is NOT rs3 content. It existed five years before rs3! Yes, it exists in rs3 today, but so does all of the content addressed in argument 3.

Argument 3: "No support for rs2 content"
Answer: Okay, so you should be actively opposing all of the "rs2" content which exists currently in oldschool. Namely --

Content -- Date added to rs2
-------------------------------------------
Corporal beast -- Sep 2008 (2 months before SC)
Dragon platebody -- Nov 2008
Dragon Claws -- Nov 2008
Dragon pickaxe -- Sep 2009
Staff of Light -- Feb 2010
Elite Void -- Oct 2010
Dragon Kiteshield -- May 2012
Armadyl Cbow -- Sep 2012
Whip vine (like kraken tent) -- Jul 2011
Dragon warhammer -- Oct 2013
Zenyte (Hydrix analogue) -- Aug 2014

Achievement diarys -- Jul 2008 and later

And Ancient warriors' PvP weapons currently being polled, in the Sept 13th newspost - "We wanted to poll these with a design matching the original versions from RuneScape 2." They said they would tweak things from there. This is similar to what I'm proposing with SC. Keep the design, adapt the summoning to be used only within the minigame, tweak the rewards, and there you are!

Clearly there it precedent to bring rs2 items into the game if they fit and people want them.
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03-Sep-2019 16:52:43 - Last edited on 13-Sep-2019 19:10:25 by GlacierBoi

GlacierBoi
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My personal experience with the Stealing Creation minigame:

When it came out I played it every day. When I realized I was a noob at it, I went and grinded all 80 stats just so that I do better and contribute to my team. After SC came out I barely played any other content in Runescape for months on end…

Even when I had to all but quit the game for college, I came back to Runescape just to play SC! I was so disappointed when EoC changed the game so much and ruined the SC experience, my days of playing SC were over :[ Even the legacy servers weren't quite the same, and the minigame is pretty dead on rs3 now as far as I know.

I believe this minigame has the potential to bring skillers, pkers, Irons and mains together on one battlefield. Our community is lacking good competetive team-based minigames like this. I think SC has the potential to capture a bit of interest from players that are into team based games like LoL/Dota.
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03-Sep-2019 16:53:05 - Last edited on 06-Sep-2019 06:29:43 by GlacierBoi

GlacierBoi
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GlacierBoi

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SC's Lore


I have seen a few different people express the concern that SC lore involved summoning. Since I didn't dive into this minigame's lore, I don't remember enough to know whether this is true or not. I can't seem to find any references to summoning in the SC lore I found on various wikis or the Runescape wiki.

If anyone knows where to find the link between Stealing Creation and summoning lore, please link it in this thread.

This is the lore I've found so far:

--It is hosted by a group of mystics who worship the "Holy Ones" of the Wilderness, who fought for their gods during the God Wars and now roam the [Rev cave] as ghosts. In an effort to collect sacred clay, used by the elder gods to create worlds, and to construct corporeal bodies for the Holy Ones, they have opened the unstable portal into the primordial realm to people to seek their help.

Players collect clay, which is thought to be the "building blocks used by gods to create worlds." Every resource in the game yields sacred clay

--The Head mystic:
The head mystic is an NPC in charge of the Stealing Creation minigame. He teaches players how to gather sacred clay from the primordial realm.

The Head Mystic came to be in the Wilderness after following the spiritual voices of the revenants. They led him to discover the portal to the Primordial Realm, and in hopes of helping the spiritual divinities set up a camp around the portal and began to gather sacred clay in order to build the war spirits new bodies with the help of his fellow followers.

--According to the head mystic, the revenants are the Holy Ones of whom the mystics spoke. It is said they sent the head mystic a message in his dreams and told him to build the camp for Stealing Creation, to make bodies for them out of sacred clay.

--Sacred clay is supposedly what the gods used to create Gielinor
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03-Sep-2019 16:53:14 - Last edited on 11-Sep-2019 20:06:13 by GlacierBoi

GlacierBoi
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GlacierBoi

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This support list was taken from a previous post that is now dead/the owner does not maintain. I am including it more to show that desire for the minigame does exists widely among the playerbase. But I will only use support given exclusively in this thread. In the future I will likely replace this list as new supporters come to this thread.

Supporters from critseeker's dead thread:
critseeker
Booll05
Nonvilence
Skelzor
Slay You
Story House
EvokeSilence
Nonmax jake
Gotdropped
Jesus Bacon
Capebaldy
Dankster7
Da bawl
Becuz metal
Turdfurgeson
Ghost tales
Budcheek
Kazshaz
Vaerric
Squatngopnik
Arkanis
Badfish
Packyff
S0uln0te
Sir aramis x
Viscusi
Ascensi
Poo shute
Vehkneeger
Ninijatt
Syfy
Botcop1
Dra123456111
Tzrek
Andy125
Jevon229
Vaagur
Jijihas2dads
Neliodas
Ififa
Misterfist69
Googleme2
Clonewars3
Evolve war
Pizzadudeguy
Lonely husk
Asdasd107
Spytech44
Silverpaw67
Packyff
B1gxm1ch
Gods father
Shuey
Astray one
Spel casta
S crossboww
thug641
Ogslenderman
Taxistheftlp
Tom3man3
Gringoxoto
Lmmortaltec
Milkcarton
Fox of iron
Dark gaia
A bee sting
Feldherr4
Ultra often
Ericshin
Op dragonite
Technical fox
Grote oceaan
La hit n run
Big hun
Ed789121main
Maasin74
Huntspk
oohs
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03-Sep-2019 16:53:45 - Last edited on 06-Sep-2019 06:31:37 by GlacierBoi

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