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Mr RobinHood said:


Tired of of this argument it took more work from the first players: FALSE!! Botting was unchecked and rampant, currently players are forced to be legitimate (more so then before) due to bot watch--

This would allow current active players, to compete indefinitely against each other --- Nice try


I was going to refrain from posting while the vote was in process, but I have watched you troll and insult everyone who takes the time to express and substantiate their opinions on the topic of prestige across many threads.

I and my long time friends have not botted any XP. We are not gambling hosts who will be the big winners if prestige is added, and we are not part of the 40% who bought GP from 3rd part RWT sites. We have all played legitimately and, by the way, earned much of our XP before the high xp rates that had to be added for whiners like you. None of us have 200 mil XP in any skill but all of us have at least one or two level 99's that we have taken well past 13 mil XP because we like the skills. We don't just buy a 99 and race through it as fast as we can. Why do your and your kind deserve to be ranked ahead of us?

If I choose not to compete with wannabees that need an unfair advantage to pass me and then brag about how they worked harder than me, why should I have to he listed in the prestige high scores.

I do not want to see your prestige 1 lvl w 13.05 mil total XP listed above my prestige 0 lvl 99 49 mil total XP.

The question is why you have to be so insulting to everyone and why being artificially ranked over someone with far more XP than you is so important?

I bet you enjoy grief killing penguin hunters to get you PK total up too.

You are pathetic and continue to show just how pathetic with every flaming post.

You are rude and insulting, but please keep posting. You are doing more to generate NO votes than you can possibly imagine.
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17-Oct-2013 18:47:26

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Nat said:
Meh. There's no point. You give them a valid reason, valid suggestions to fix it, to make the update more realistic and useful, and they still bash you.

I'm just going to assume you're all idiots, don't read what I've posted(and what other naysayers have posted), or are just trolls.

And for those that just don't understand the NO perspective, imagine playing for 10 years. Now imagine finally getting the a Completionist Cape. Then imagine planning on getting 200m's in the skills you love to train. Hold on a minute. Is that a div blog?

IS THAT DIV BLOG TELLING ME 200M'S WONT BE RELEVANT SOON?! OH BOY ITS MY TIME TO SHINE.

....Oh wait...I don't have 10 years to waste again :c.


^ +1 from a fellow aspy
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17-Oct-2013 20:33:45

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Nat said:
Mr RobinHood said:
Speaking of attacking, I like your hostility, I see some of your skills may reach 30 mill XP, besides dungeoneering why are you concerned about any of your work being ruined?

But yes I'd be glad to read somebody elses post for the "heavy negatives"


Rude. Will be ignoring your troll self just aswell.


There is a group of about ten trolls that have been working the pinned threads in all of the forums since the developers blog was released last week.

Their rudeness is the main reason I voted no. Do not let them bother you. They are not making rational arguments, just trying to get an emotional response from you. They just need attention and like to treat J-Mod's pinned threads like they are the OP and replying to every post because it satisfies a need to be special in their own minds. I think that is why they like the idea of leap-frogging actively playing members in high score ranking via prestige too.

Don't let them get you down. Their rude behavior does more to generate NO votes than any other argument.
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17-Oct-2013 20:51:00

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To all the YES voters who insist on replying to all of the NO voters and insulting them...

Lets really make resetting levels fun and reset our banks at the same time. After all, the real fun of starting off was figuring out how to get tools and materials too. Lets have as much fun as possible.

Keep on insulting NO voters. The more you insult them, the more NO votes we seem to get.
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17-Oct-2013 22:49:15

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Lotuspod said:
Dadizar said:
To all the YES voters who insist on replying to all of the NO voters and insulting them...

Lets really make resetting levels fun and reset our banks at the same time. After all, the real fun of starting off was figuring out how to get tools and materials too. Lets have as much fun as possible.

Keep on insulting NO voters. The more you insult them, the more NO votes we seem to get.


You don't even play rs3, but nice try though.

More proof this poll is flawed lol. But hey, I guess it seems cool to say no to any suggestions from jagex these days.


Maybe you can help me... If I do not play RS3, how am i working on divination?

Maybe you looked me up and did not cut and paste, the 1st letter is a "D", the font is weird.

Still laughing. :D
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17-Oct-2013 23:00:27

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Lotuspod said:

Font is messed up, but now I see why you said no. You have 1 billion xp. Yea youre one of those who dont want to skill again without the help of easy materials from botting and/or rwt. Or just want to sit on an achievement to please your own ego, even at the expense of others' fun. Thats the only reasons given so far that haven't been completely made up or pure speculation.

Enjoy your precious hiscores, too bad they won't be around forever anyway. Maybe one day you'll learn a little moderation and hopefully make some less selfish decisions.


Lets discuss the flaws in YOUR arrogant logic. I have not bragged about my XP. I am not anywhere close to 200 mil XP in any skill. I slowly have worked all of my skills into the top 7500 without once whining or asking to be able to leap-frog someone else because i am not afraid to compete.

I just do not want to compete in an illusion with deluded people who need an unfair advantage to compete. Sad that you need to reset to prestige 1 level 1 to pass people. By the way, i gather all of my own supplies do not go to the GE to buy materials and pound away skills to get bragging rights in skills i really do not like.

I just am sick of pathetic trolls that cannot compete insulting the people that really do .

Here is my impression of you. "I wanted to run the marathon. I got here to hours late. It is not fair. Call everyone back and start the race over so it is fair to me."

Still laughing troll. Not making me mad, but sure have me genuinely laughing out loud.
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17-Oct-2013 23:16:59

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Lord G Rahl said:
Dadizar said:


Lets discuss the flaws in YOUR arrogant logic. I have not bragged about my XP. I am not anywhere close to 200 mil XP in any skill. I slowly have worked all of my skills into the top 7500 without once whining or asking to be able to leap-frog someone else because i am not afraid to compete.

I just do not want to compete in an illusion with deluded people who need an unfair advantage to compete. Sad that you need to reset to prestige 1 level 1 to pass people. By the way, i gather all of my own supplies do not go to the GE to buy materials and pound away skills to get bragging rights in skills i really do not like.

I just am sick of pathetic trolls that cannot compete insulting the people that really do .

Here is my impression of you. "I wanted to run the marathon. I got here to hours late. It is not fair. Call everyone back and start the race over so it is fair to me."

Still laughing troll. Not making me mad, but sure have me genuinely laughing out loud.


You really have 1 bil in exp? And you are only ranked 7500? wow. I have half that exp and believe I am ranked 8000 and something. I would have to double my exp to even catch you, which would be another 9+ years for me? And then you would gain more exp which would mean I


I said all of my skills are ranked in the top 7500. I did not say what the ranks were. I do not need to brag about them, but you immediately try and put me down. This is why your type of YES voter gets no respect from me.

You reveal your true motivation in voting YES - wanting to leap-frog others because you cannot compete.

Come on trolls, see how long yuo can keep me laughing in real life.
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17-Oct-2013 23:30:48 - Last edited on 17-Oct-2013 23:31:32 by Dadizar

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Just a reminder to everyone getting upset by NO votes...

Voting YES gets prestige added with all the flaws in the original concept. Voting NO gives Jagex a chance to go back to the drawing board and modify the concept with all of the good ideas presented by players in a week of feedback across various pinned threads started by J-Mods.

Voting NO will actually result in a game change more to everyone's liking.
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18-Oct-2013 00:46:03

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Some analogies to explain why i voted no for prestige:

If prestige was used in football, the score would be reset at half time to make it fair.

If prestige was used in baseball, the score would be reset at the end of every inning to make it fair.

If prestige was used in basketball, the score would be reset every quarter to make it fair.

If prestige was used in a marathon, times would be reset at every mile marker to make it fair.

Is prestige a serious way to open up competition?
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18-Oct-2013 23:39:59 - Last edited on 18-Oct-2013 23:43:51 by Dadizar

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Lawman3000 said:
FORGET ALL YOU CRYBABIES. cry and whine about how this COSMETIC update hurt you?? grow the F up. this is ridiculous. Just because you want to preserve your little spot on one high score table, you're voting against allowing those of us who have maxed not to be able to do things again. Just leave the game and let those of us who want to continue to play, move on and earn new things. what a crock of you know what if this update does not go through because of the vote. why 75% jagex?!?! why not 51%? seriously. I can't believe how many people are against this (38% right now). oh well. I've just about maxed everything, so maybe it's time to move on. Not starting a new guy, that's just dumb.


Looks like you will be even more upset when you check the poll again. The 75% threshold is irrelevant at the moment because
62% are against it
and only 38% for it.
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18-Oct-2013 23:57:24

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Ferenc2017 said:
Ferenc2017 said:
beer and fsu said:
why not add a weekly/monthly/all time high scores i've always kind of wanted that


There you go jagex :)

Every month an xp competition in every skill.

Than give them the title, Master of cooking or Master of prayer.

If you like this plz quote it :D


Ferenc2017 :)
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19-Oct-2013 00:14:18

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Red Silk Vow said:

So, don't do it. You don't have to. That's the point of optional content.

Hiscores don't add anything to the game, whether it be the main rank or the seasonal stuff, people still do them because it's fun and they like seeing themselves improve...

With prestige, they could reset their skill, and keep on enjoying it...

That is what things like prestige can do if you give them a chance, even if you never actually use it yourself.


Prestige DOES DESTROY the REAL high score table by making it a footnote.

Everything thing else you argue for can be accomplished without prestige.

Is playing low level content any less fun with out resetting your level? You realize you can play lower level content wherever you want for FUN (unless it is not fun unless you are advancing your rank.)

The seasonal high scores could be used properly by having one year, one month, one week, rolling one year, rolling one month, and rolling one week tables for each individual skill and total XP. Prestige is not needed to do this. (Unless you need to leap-frog past people with more XP and gain an unfair advantage by pressing a reset button.) This would create fair and unbiased competition.

I fail to see how anything on your list of things to enjoy requires prestige to make them enjoyable. (Unless it is all about "competition" that lets you advance past people by a single button press.)

At least be honest with yourself.

EDIT: The cosmetic rewards could be given out at the total XP equivalent to the prestige defined rewards. Once again prestige is not required to do this.

The more I think about it, the only thing that prestige is required for is to leap-frog past players with more XP in a high score table without having to do anything, just use an unfair advantage.

Prestige is a truly horrid idea.
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19-Oct-2013 14:42:07 - Last edited on 19-Oct-2013 14:50:18 by Dadizar

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Red Silk Vow said:


Thank you for admitting that your only motivation for voting YES is all about you.

Time to stop calling the NO voters selfish.
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19-Oct-2013 15:15:41

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Red Silk Vow said:
Dadizar said:

Thank you for admitting that your only motivation for voting YES is all about you.


Yeah, don't bother reading any of the parts about it being optional.

You people are as illiterate as you are ignorant.

Nevermind the fact that other people could make more money than they currently do with needing to hit 80/90 in production skills, or for frosts, or GWD bosses. Hell, the fact that most pvm below 70, or 80-90 slayer is worthless.

Let's just be stupid and focus on the fact that someone actually changed their whole worldview on the game because prestige would allow them to do something that the current cap doesn't, and let's ignore how much chaos changing that would cause, and let's stupidly continue bashing our faces against them because we somehow imagine they're more selfish than us because they want some optional content so they can feel like they're actually progressing while they go about playing the game the same as they currently are, and giving
YOU
the opportunity to benefit from it as well.


I never said I was not voting for what I thought was best for myself and my friends.

I also have not made a single post attacking people for posting why they voted the way they did.

I have made posts responding to people that insist on replying to every post of persons stating an opinion that is not a YES vote.

I must be stupid and illiterate because I do not agree with you? You must be angry all the time or live in a very sheltered bubble.

My apologies to everyone else on this thread. I will stop feeding the troll now.
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19-Oct-2013 15:29:27

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Oras Shadow said:
@ Red Silk Vow
"They can't change the cap for the same reason they can't change stack size" ....


Then what are they doing in prestige if not changing the cap? "Any xp gained during Prestiging a skill, is added to that skills total xp. So you have 200mil xp, you gain 30mil when you Prestige, so total xp for that skill would be 230mil" The cap is 200m and you now have 230m exp so the cap has been changed!!!!


I can think of two simple ways to raise the XP cap. I guess I have no clue because I have no idea what the "can't change the stack size" remark is supposed to mean. Sounds like parroting a concept without have any understanding of software engineering.
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19-Oct-2013 19:05:21 - Last edited on 19-Oct-2013 19:05:59 by Dadizar

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Viral Grim said:
Rohiit said:
Dadizar said:
Some analogies to explain why i voted no for prestige:

If prestige was used in football, the score would be reset at half time to make it fair.

If prestige was used in baseball, the score would be reset at the end of every inning to make it fair.

If prestige was used in basketball, the score would be reset every quarter to make it fair.

If prestige was used in a marathon, times would be reset at every mile marker to make it fair.

Is prestige a serious way to open up competition?


Ahahaha that was really a good joke mate.


this is not how you look at it, this is a stupid thing to say. the prestige thing is there once you have completed a skill not got half way through it you spanner. the scores reset after every game and is what should happen here!!


I, and apparently many others, look at prestige as you being able to leap-frog in high scores past 12,043 others in attack, 67,720 in defense, 75,994 in strength, 30,317 in constitution, 10,897 in ranging, 42,883 in prayer, 23,195 in magic, 43,711 in cooking, 66,240 in woodcutting, 45,528 in wood cutting, and 35,572 in summoning, by simply pressing the reset button. Experience does not stop at level 99 and to say RuneScape is over once level 99 is reached is disingenuous.

Prestige is a way that people that cannot compete, but need to see themselves highly ranked, can jump to the top of high scores without really doing anything.

What utter nonsense.
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20-Oct-2013 09:36:10

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An example of another flaw in the "prestige" system. The concept of a level is obliterated.

You have just made it to dungeoneering level 99. With your next 1,356,729 XP should you get level 100 dungeonering or should you reset to prestige 1, and even though you need to earn twice as much XP per each and every level, get to prestige 1 level 69 with the same amount of XP.

One level of real work = 69 levels of trumped up nonsense. Wow, even the concept of level is destroyed by prestige.

Seems like a wonderful concept to me.

EDIT: If I switch back to prestige 0 at this point do I get a free level 100?

Absolutely brilliant.

Seems like the only "fair" solution is for a "level" in high scores to be "level progress" with 99 being the max in all skills but dungeoneering which would be 120.
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20-Oct-2013 13:18:44 - Last edited on 20-Oct-2013 13:23:54 by Dadizar

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Jollyscout said:
Dadizar said:
An example of another flaw in the "prestige" system. The concept of a level is obliterated.

You have just made it to dungeoneering level 99. With your next 1,356,729 XP should you get level 100 dungeonering or should you reset to prestige 1, and even though you need to earn twice as much XP per each and every level, get to prestige 1 level 69 with the same amount of XP.

One level of real work = 69 levels of trumped up nonsense. Wow, even the concept of level is destroyed by prestige.

Seems like a wonderful concept to me.

EDIT: If I switch back to prestige 0 at this point do I get a free level 100?

Absolutely brilliant.

Seems like the only "fair" solution is for a "level" in high scores to be "level progress" with 99 being the max in all skills but dungeoneering which would be 120.


Actually if you had read the dev blog properly then you would know that dung can only be prestiged at 120.


Opps. Thanks for reminding me. However, it shows how ridiculous the system is because across skill you get 69 levels for the same effort as 1. So it DOES obliterate the meaning of levels, we now get a sawtooth instead of an exponential formula for effort between levels.
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20-Oct-2013 15:35:49

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Voss said:
Who the hell cares anymore....the "NO's" have this one in the bag...its a done deal and wont be implemented


I sure hope you are right, but I for one hope Jagex takes a good long look at some of their concepts that were billed as showing who truly works harder.

Here is a look at the XP tables with ordinal levels instead of actual levels:


With prestige the XP to next level looks like this for the typical skill:
XP 97th level to 98th level = 1,112,977
XP 98th level to 99th level = 1,228,825
XP 99th level to 100th level = 166
XP 100th level to 101st level = 182


With prestige the XP to next level looks like this for dungeoneering:
XP 118th level to 119th level = 8,903,655
XP 119th level to 120th level = 9,830,430
XP 120th level to 121st level = 166
XP 121st level to 122nd level = 182

How does this make any sense or add "prestige" to the new levels which get you a higher ranking?
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20-Oct-2013 16:31:11

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Red Silk Vow said:
Dadizar said:

How does this make any sense or add "prestige" to the new levels which get you a higher ranking?


Did you bother reading the blog, kid?

Experience costs increase, progressively so.

The current exponential increases that make 92-99 more than 1-91 do more to ruin "levels" than resetting your levels in a skill would, particularly since doing so is purely for re-attaining the feeling of observable progression without, as it is for some, being forced to throw away a decade worth of play to make a new character, without being forced to redo all the quests, without being forced to redo minigames that haven't yet been updated or are dead, and without being forced to do what they truly want to: Grow, again.

For people like me, who don't have a 99, or a 200m, I'd actually desire wanting to go beyond 13.1 in non-dung skills because I ...

...want to pass people in the high scores without putting in any effort.

Let me repeat what the XP required to advance from rank to rank would be:

With prestige the XP to next level looks like this for the typical skill:
XP 97th level to 98th level = 1,112,977
XP 98th level to 99th level = 1,228,825
XP 99th level to 100th level = 166
XP 100th level to 101st level = 182


With prestige the XP to next level looks like this for dungeoneering:
XP 118th level to 119th level = 8,903,655
XP 119th level to 120th level = 9,830,430
XP 120th level to 121st level = 166
XP 121st level to 122nd level = 182

I can see why someone like you who cannot compete would love to be able to increase total rank without any effort.

I am so glad this concept will be disregarded. Your type has had enough updates because XP is too hard to get. They complain things are too hard and when insane XP rates are added they complain they are not special enough.

LOL
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20-Oct-2013 19:19:50

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Voss said:
I agree with Onethetrain...if this is the extent of how many votes we got...I also dont see this game lasting the next year


I agree with both of you. Makes me nervous as I consider whether renewing a premier membership has any value.
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21-Oct-2013 13:56:38

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Red Silk Vow said:


Brilliant debate skills.

Me getting extraneous total levels will in no way put me at a better rank than someone who has 200m in a skill. The first currently 2595 are the only ones that matter. They're the only ones that will matter with Prestige. It's simply a means to observably denote the fact that someone continues to play in a 32 bit signed integer limited-construct environment.

Not that you appear to understand any of that.


Nice try, but we both know prestige as originally described, and would have been implemented had this joke passed, changed the prestige high scores to the main default high score.

The example from the developers blog shows that
prestige 1 level 1 13 mil total lifetime xp is ahead of
prestige 0 level 99 200 mil total xp.

If high scores did NOT matter to you, you could have voted NO and asked for a prestige that had no effect on high scores, except in the seasonal high scores where they belong.

I also like the way you twist the truth to try and influence people to vote the way you want them to.

So glad that this idea is failing miserably with the RS community.

Oh, by the way, I just did a star. Talked about prestige and what J-Mods said (not you) and 10 more people voted NO.
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21-Oct-2013 23:55:11 - Last edited on 21-Oct-2013 23:55:58 by Dadizar

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Lord G Rahl said:


Looked at your rankings. I could complain that is it no fair that you train your hunter most likely at herb habitat, a place with faster hunter exp rates then when I trained my hunter, or that you trained your rc at runespan, again, a place where you get faster exp rates, when I trained mine by running to alters.

So because of such updates, Jagex gave you the ability to get faster exp rates and gain ranks beyond my ranks. I think your hunter and rc ranks should be removed, as they are false anyways, just like if Jagex added the prestige rankings, they would not be real rankings.


I looked up your rankings too and we can all see your continuous membership date.

I earned much of my XP well before the methods you accuse me of using even existed. I would say you are much more likely to have used those methods.

My favorite hunter XP to this day is black warlock butterflies. I never even went to runespan until well after my 99 in runecrafting, so try again.

You are so comical. You want my ranks removed because you say I did not earn them fairly, when in reality you and your lazy type are afraid of true competition.

I think I will go get a bunch of butterflies so you can see some real competition. Have to remove that one skill where you have a better rank than I have.

This should be fun.
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22-Oct-2013 15:11:19

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Red Silk Vow said:

According to a screenshot of Andrew Gower answering a Q&A in his clan chat I found while googling:

That is there for technical reasons, because your exp actually goes up in 0.1 increments, which means that the total number stored is 2 billion.


The picture cuts off the rest of his response, but I assume he goes into some detail about 32 bit signed integers, seeing as that's why the stack size is what it is, and why they rounded it down slightly.


Software is not PFM. Here is a quick lesson for you before you presume to try and explain "technical reasons"*

*** : By default, the int data type is a 32-bit signed two's complement integer, which has a minimum value of -2^31 and a maximum value of 2^31-1. In Java SE 8 and later, you can use the int data type to represent an unsigned 32-bit integer, which has a minimum value of 0 and a maximum value of 2^32-1. Use the Integer class to use int data type as an unsigned integer. See the section The Number Classes for more information. Static methods like compareUnsigned, divideUnsigned etc have been added to the Integer class to support the arithmetic operations for unsigned integers.

long: The long data type is a 64-bit two's complement integer. The signed long has a minimum value of -2^63 and a maximum value of 2^63-1. In Java SE 8 and later, you can use the long data type to represent an unsigned 64-bit long, which has a minimum value of 0 and a maximum value of 2^64-1. The unsigned long has a minimum value of 0 and maximum value of 2^64-1. Use this data type when you need a range of values wider than those provided by int. The Long class also contains methods like compareUnsigned, divideUnsigned etc to support arithmetic operations for unsigned long.


Changing XP to an unsigned 64 bit (long) integer with an implied decimal point to record 1/10th solves the 200 mil XP cap issue.
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23-Oct-2013 10:02:01 - Last edited on 23-Oct-2013 10:03:53 by Dadizar

Dadizar

Dadizar

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Jagex finally closed the poll. It ran 10 hours into October 23rd.

Total Voting: 28,594 - 17432 NO votes and 11162 YES votes.

Final Results: 61% NO versus 39% YES.

No matter how you voted, the most disturbing thing is the low voter turnout. Initially, about 2k people added membership, taking the total from 489K to 491K. It has since dropped to 476K.

Mod Jack has been posting regularly on lore threads over the course of the poll but he and all other J-Mods have gone missing from the discussion on prestige. I find this more than a little disappointing.
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What love we've given, we'll have forever. What love we fail to give, will be lost for all eternity. - Leo Buscaglia
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23-Oct-2013 13:32:12 - Last edited on 23-Oct-2013 13:33:13 by Dadizar

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