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125i said:
Why not re-introduce bounty hunter crater to the game? The crater we had in 2007 and later.

It would boost up f2p pking alot, and it might even have merits in p2p pk.

No.
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25-Mar-2019 21:22:26

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Zoodberg said:
Then why have we had two thus far?
Because the Wilderness is very poorly designed, and PvP is incredibly unpopular. Jagex, through feedback provided to them by upset PKers, came to the conclusion the only way to make PvP popular was to add non-PvP content into the Wilderness and give PKers more victims.

The Wilderness will never be "rejuvenated" so long as those "rejuvenations" are nothing more than Wilderness lures for non-PvPers to give PKers more victims.

When I say there doesn't need to be any rejuvenations, I mean the kinds of rejuvenations that have happened so far. They are totally ineffective, and do nothing to resolve the problems trying to fixed.

The Wilderness is underpopulated. That won't change just by adding more lures.
PvP is very unwelcoming and not very fun. That won't change by adding more lures.

Zoodberg said:
Furthermore, PKing is far more popular than skilling
Not at all. PKing is the least popular content in the game, and this is demonstrable.

You wouldn't be asking for PKer-only polls if that weren't the case.

Zoodberg said:
It only makes gameplay "worse" for those who shiver at the thought of PKers. So why are you so scared of PKers?
No one is scared of PKers. We just refuse to be victims for your benefit.

Loose Ends said:
what if they make the wilderness go to 60 or 70 levels? With new bosses, skilling stuff, and maybe a quest?
We don't need any more lures in the Wilderness. There are already far too many (more than zero).
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25-Mar-2019 21:33:32

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Gotcha. So we need to isolate PvM by removing the Infernal cape from the Inferno and instead tossing it inside some PvP activity since it's nothing more than a lure for PKers. Normally, this would result in giving braindead bosses more victims, but anyone who can PK can also PvM since PvM only exists as an alternative for nubnubs who can't git gud and L2PK such as myself.

Polls state otherwise.

So you're using the term "victim" yet stating you're not afraid of them?

Then cut it out with the lures outside of the wilderness. There are way more of those.
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25-Mar-2019 22:17:13

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NubnubGaming said:
Gotcha. So we need to isolate PvM by removing the Infernal cape from the Inferno and instead tossing it inside some PvP activity since it's nothing more than a lure for PKers.
Nope. Didn't say anything of the sort. Nice try, though.

PKers choosing to do non-PvP content for non-PvP rewards is much different than non-PvPers doing non-PvP content and getting PvPed.

No one is asking for PVP rewards to be given away without doing PvP, so using the reverse of "non-PvP rewards should be given away without having to do non-PvP" makes absolutely no sense.

NubnubGaming said:
Polls state otherwise.
http://services.runescape.com/m=poll/c=bqo9DqiQdpk/oldschool/results.ws?id=1319

Nope. Polls show that PvP is the least popular activity in the game.

Also, if that weren't the case, why do you need PKer-only polls?

NubnubGaming said:
So you're using the term "victim" yet stating you're not afraid of them?
Using factually accurate terminology doesn't mean I'm afraid.

NubnubGaming said:
Then cut it out with the lures outside of the wilderness. There are way more of those.
There are literally none.
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25-Mar-2019 23:17:46

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Wait, what? All content in a PvP zone is PvP related content... How do people not understand this in 2019? Also, all of that content is completely optional. In comparison, getting BIS PvP items required Pvpers to do non-PVP. Forum Help
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26-Mar-2019 00:19:00

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PollTBowBuff said:
Wait, what? All content in a PvP zone is PvP related content
Nope. It's non-PvP content in a PvP zone.

It's not PvP if I'm not fighting other players. If I went and mined Runite in the Wilderness, that's not PvP.

PollTBowBuff said:
all of that content is completely optional.
So are all content in the game. What is your point?

PollTBowBuff said:
In comparison, getting BIS PvP items required Pvpers to do non-PVP.
Yep. That's something I've consistently suggested should be changed.

PvPers should get the best PvP gear from PvP. Why do you always ignore when I say that?
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26-Mar-2019 03:05:09

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FisherGaming said:
PollTBowBuff said:
Wait, what? All content in a PvP zone is PvP related content
Nope. It's non-PvP content in a PvP zone.

(A) It's not PvP if I'm not fighting other players. If I went and mined Runite in the Wilderness, that's not PvP.

PollTBowBuff said:
all of that content is completely optional.
(B) So are all content in the game. What is your point?

PollTBowBuff said:
In comparison, getting BIS PvP items required Pvpers to do non-PVP.
(C) Yep. That's something I've consistently suggested should be changed.

PvPers should get the best PvP gear from PvP. Why do you always ignore when I say that?
A) Except you're choosing to go into a PvP zone so that you can compete for runite ore with other players and defend yourself from pkers. Or you're going into a PvP zone so that you can try and mine before pkers kill you. Undeniably PvP content. Thank you, next.

B) Players entering the wilderness clearly want to engage in PvP content (including the attempt to evade and escape pkers, which is undeniably PvP content). Thank you, next

C) Cool, but irrelevant. The game has PvP items dropped in non-PVP. Pvm items from non-pvm. Skilling items from non-skilling activities. Your want for PvP items to only be dropped in PVP won't happen and is just a pointless, irrelevant thing for you to say.
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26-Mar-2019 03:28:40

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PollTBowBuff said:
Except you're choosing to go into a PvP zone
Well, I'm not. Most people aren't. The reason the Wilderness is so underpopulated is because it's nothing but a bunch of non-PvP content in a PvP zone.

That's the complaint people have with it. They don't want non-PvP content in a PvP area. It's horrible design.

PollTBowBuff said:
Undeniably PvP content.
Nope. Runite ore is not a player.

Just because it's in a PvP zone doesn't mean it's PvP content. I'm not PvPing if I'm mining runite ore; I'm skilling.

PollTBowBuff said:
Players entering the wilderness clearly want to engage in PvP content
Nope. Most of them want the exclusive BiS rewards that come from the Wilderness, or the best XP rates for their level.

Very few people going into the Wilderness are actually there to PvP. The vast majority of them are there for the non-PvP content.

Exceptions of course for the Bounty Hunter world, where most people "in the Wilderness" are just at Edgeville.

PollTBowBuff said:
Cool, but irrelevant.
If it's irrelevant, why the hell did you bring it up?

You're the one who brought up that PvPers have to do non-PvP for BiS PvP gear.

PollTBowBuff said:
The game has PvP items dropped in non-PVP.
They're not specifically PvP items, actually. Just because you use items rewarded from non-PvP content in PvP doesn't mean it's a PvP item.

PollTBowBuff said:
Your want for PvP items to only be dropped in PVP won't happen and is just a pointless, irrelevant thing for you to say.
Why not? It seems perfectly logical for PvP items to be rewarded from PvP.

How could you possibly be against that?
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26-Mar-2019 04:13:45

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So people are choosing to engage in content that involves evading, escaping, and attempting to survive pkers. That is undeniably PvP content, lol. Nice try though.

Lol, nice try with the diversion. The fact that BIS PvP items are only obtainable through non-PVP content is relevant. Your comment about wanting that to not be true is irrelevant. Also, Where did I say that I'm against BIS PvP items being dropped from PVP. I never said that I was. But it's not going to happen. Hence why it's pointless to say "but uhhhhh I uhh I umm want PvP umm items dropped in uhhh PvP!!1!"

Personally I think BIS items should come from all content, but some think the game should be easier and that they should only have to do some content to get BIS items. Like those that don't want the mage cape to be obtained in the wilderness
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26-Mar-2019 04:32:23

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PollTBowBuff said:
So people are choosing to engage in content that involves evading, escaping, and attempting to survive pkers.
Nope. They're choosing to engage in non-PvP content. The issue that they have with said non-PvP content is that it's in a PvP area, and it shouldn't be.

PollTBowBuff said:
That is undeniably PvP content
Nope. As I've explained several times now, runite ore is not a player.

PollTBowBuff said:
BIS PvP items
They're not PvP items.

PollTBowBuff said:
Also, Where did I say that I'm against BIS PvP items being dropped from PVP.
I never said that was your stance. I said you continued to ignore that I would be willing to fix what you consistently point out as a counterargument against what I say.

I say "we shouldn't have to deal with PvP for non-PvP content."
You reply "PvPers shouldn't have to do non-PvP for PvP gear."
I agree...

... and then nothing. You never acknowledge that I am being entirely consistent in my stance. You only bring that up as an argument against me, and then I agree with you and you just ignore it.

PollTBowBuff said:
But it's not going to happen.
Explain why it shouldn't happen? It is perfectly logical that PvP gear comes from PvP.

I understand that your position on the matter is that it won't happen, but are you able to explain logically why it shouldn't be the case? If not, I rather think your position is a weak one.
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26-Mar-2019 05:01:40

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