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UltraWhale
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Do you think that pvp would be as popular as pvm if jagex would put as much effort into improving pvp as they do on improving pvm? Dont make easily botted activities such as skilling profitable

17-Oct-2019 17:45:17

Iron Robsham
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Not even close. What vital improvements is PvP actually lacking? Unlike PvM, PvP isn't content driven, it's gameplay driven. You can add as much op crap to the wildy as you like, you can add stupid op PvP armour/weps, you can drown them in loot crates and uniques simply for participating, but none of it will change the fact that the combat mechanics in OSRS are fundamentally bad for PvP.

The main challenge in OSRS PvP is mastering the crappy archaic user interface, and it has a surprisingly high skill cap, but it's also a completely unfun and non-engaging thing to do for hours on end. The result is very few people actually want to play PvP, and that's never going to change when you consider the crazy tantrum that the PvP community throw at even the hint of slight UI/meta changes. Instead, they just demand more and more lures designed to get PvMers into the wildy, and then rage at Jagex in complete confusion when none of it works and their community continues to shrink while the rest of the game thrives.
We must smash the iron ceiling and end the oppressive maintriarchy.

17-Oct-2019 18:08:09

cooke fletch

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no. Pvp requires a certain type of mindset. You aren't going to create that mindset by changing the updates. Stop being a entitled snowflake. If you want something in game, earn it rather than demand it be given to you.

17-Oct-2019 18:09:23

UltraWhale
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What can be fixed? NPC boxing, ragging, clans in single combat just to name a few.

But the main issue is as just as you said, lack of variety. A fun thing to introduce would be pvp that require tactics rather than pure mechanical skills. Such as "raids", where you gather and manage resources and then make gear for yourself and your team and fight other players. A group last man standing would also be fun if made well. Perhaps wars where npcs and players fight alongside and against eachother. There is a shitton of stuff that jagex can do to get more variety into pvp, without changing the mechanics. If only they put some time into it. Just because it aint content driven doesnt mean it cant be.
Dont make easily botted activities such as skilling profitable

17-Oct-2019 18:26:46 - Last edited on 17-Oct-2019 18:34:14 by UltraWhale

DraftDogeDib
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Easily. Look at just how fast the elite PvM community RWTed their shit and left the moment the Gauntlet, ONE update, wasn't as good as we expected it to be. PKers were around for years and dealt with shit like that time and time again. There's a reason the majority of this game were PKers in 2007 and at the start of OSRS. As a PvMer, I really think they need to focus more on PvP for once and I like that they're doing so. Draft dodger btw. Too scared to attack an enemy that tried to harm my loved ones so "I only learned to defend". Typical boomer born right after the era where my parents suffered the solitude of WWII, deprivation of the Great Depression while I never had to suffer jack or risk a thing. :)

17-Oct-2019 18:33:35

DraftDogeDib
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@Cooke

So does PvM. They both require the guts to never give up despite the fact that the result isn't guaranteed unlike skilling or other point-and-click braindead content. If PvM got to be as popular as PvP was on release, PvP could easily be popular once again. The majority of players have the mindset needed to not wanna do braindead skilling all day.
Draft dodger btw. Too scared to attack an enemy that tried to harm my loved ones so "I only learned to defend". Typical boomer born right after the era where my parents suffered the solitude of WWII, deprivation of the Great Depression while I never had to suffer jack or risk a thing. :)

17-Oct-2019 18:35:35

UltraWhale
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DraftDogeDib said:
Easily. Look at just how fast the elite PvM community RWTed their shit and left the moment the Gauntlet, ONE update, wasn't as good as we expected it to be. PKers were around for years and dealt with shit like that time and time again. There's a reason the majority of this game were PKers in 2007 and at the start of OSRS. As a PvMer, I really think they need to focus more on PvP for once and I like that they're doing so.


Well said!
Dont make easily botted activities such as skilling profitable

17-Oct-2019 18:36:08

DraftDogeDib
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@Robsham

I laughed my ass off when you mentioned a surprisingly high skill cap. Go play League or WoW or some shit if you wanna see a high skill cap. All OSRS has is bug abuse for skills. Ironically enough, it's actually fun though. I just wish they'd do something about the broken plugins. Your comment also made me think about and realize something. Everything about PvM started in PvP. Gear and prayer swaps, tick manipulation, overpowered plugins and cheater clients, you name it.

When I explain PvM mechanics to someone like Nikolas (or Dikolas/Nubnubolas whichever term you prefer), it's next to impossible compared to when I explain it to someone like Ultra who understands everything instantly due to the fact that he's PKed for years and has a solid understanding of game ticks.
Draft dodger btw. Too scared to attack an enemy that tried to harm my loved ones so "I only learned to defend". Typical boomer born right after the era where my parents suffered the solitude of WWII, deprivation of the Great Depression while I never had to suffer jack or risk a thing. :)

17-Oct-2019 18:38:43

Iron Robsham
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DraftDogeDib said:
@Robsham

I laughed my ass off when you mentioned a surprisingly high skill cap. Go play League or WoW or some shit if you wanna see a high skill cap.
Admittedly I have never PKed in runescape (outside of castlewars like 14 years ago) so maybe you're right and it's piss easy, but I doubt many PKers would agree, especially the ones that whine on here constantly because they can't manage to kill people or because rev bots kill them with the venom on their blowpipes lmao.

As for League and WoW, League I played from the beginning until a little bit into season 4. WoW I played BC/Wrath casually, got into raiding in cata and was in heroic/mythic raiding guilds for all of pandaland and WoD up until part way through mythic BRF progression (best raid ever btw).
We must smash the iron ceiling and end the oppressive maintriarchy.

17-Oct-2019 19:13:21 - Last edited on 17-Oct-2019 19:18:47 by Iron Robsham

DraftDogeDib
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Mate, idk about any of that shit but knew a girl at this other high school in my hometown who was offering her virginity for someone to get her through a raid during the BC expansion. I just started with WoW classic, because all my friends were over there. They couldn't get me to pay the subscription, so one guy from Hero offered to pay for a month and like 20 more did the same thing, so I got a bunch of codes and next thing you know, I'm practically an ethot. I wasn't the best PvMer in there, but people just loved having my hyper ass around.

Personally, I find PKing to be hard but I found PvM to also be hard at first sooooooooo.
Draft dodger btw. Too scared to attack an enemy that tried to harm my loved ones so "I only learned to defend". Typical boomer born right after the era where my parents suffered the solitude of WWII, deprivation of the Great Depression while I never had to suffer jack or risk a thing. :)

17-Oct-2019 19:18:39

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