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Blackwing
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On the new designer diary, Jagex goes on about how the "episodic content" team won't be doing more D&Ds and temporary dailyscape, but then still would like to do "asynchronous" minigames like ports, which are still dailyscape -- okay. So what's Jagex actually going to do with dailyscape? Would be nice to finally get some kind of official confirmation either way, instead of these conflicting side effects causing confusion.
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06-Sep-2019 21:35:16

Dilbert2001
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Blackwing said:
On the new designer diary, Jagex goes on about how the "episodic content" team won't be doing more D&Ds and temporary dailyscape, but then still would like to do "asynchronous" minigames like ports, which are still dailyscape -- okay. So what's Jagex actually going to do with dailyscape? Would be nice to finally get some kind of official confirmation either way, instead of these conflicting side effects causing confusion.


"We wonĺt be working on
temporary content
- we want our content to enrich the game in the long term. We also wonĺt be making world events, random events, minigames, D&Ds, new content types, or huge lavish quests that have no connection to the current narrative."


They said they won't be working on temporary content, not "temporary dailyscape". Player Owned Ports etc are definitely not temporary content. Dailyscape are definitely permanetnt EVERYDAY content, hardly temporary.

07-Sep-2019 12:56:21

HáRassy
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Why is this important?
Players can reduce "dailyscape" themselves if they want by simply not doing the daily things they do not like.
I did discover long ago that keeping up with everything that jagex releases is not the way to be happy in this game. Don't be a slave of your (trimmed) completionist cape,just let it go.

01-Oct-2019 10:15:59

Blackwing
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HáRassy said:
Why is this important?
Players can reduce "dailyscape" themselves if they want by simply not doing the daily things they do not like.
I did discover long ago that keeping up with everything that jagex releases is not the way to be happy in this game. Don't be a slave of your (trimmed) completionist cape,just let it go.

Because Jagex is psychologically manipulating people into playing more than they would if they could play when they wanted without losing out on temporarily available content/rewards/etc, which leads into less enjoyment of playing the game.

Sure, you're not physically forced into playing dailyscape content, but just like you can't simply tell a depressed person to stop being depressed and expect it to work, you can't just tell a dailyscape slave to stop doing dailyscape content and expect them to just be like "oh yeah, it's so simple, why didn't I think of it before?". Whether people do dailyscape content because they want to be competitive, or because they want to reach the endgame ASAP without buying MTX, or whatever else, dailyscape content preys on their psychological weaknesses, whether it's because they're addicted to the fun stuff behind the boring grind, or because they're addicted to trying to be better than others, etc.

Jagex knows this very well: gaming companies are always looking for more ways to increase player retention (because it leads to more profits), and they've figured out that getting people addicted to grinding like this is much more profitable than making fun, permanent/not time limited content/rewards.

So really, I'll throw the ball back to you: why is it important for dailyscape to stay? What good does it do for the player?
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01-Oct-2019 11:04:45

HáRassy
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"oh yeah, it's so simple, why didn't I think of it before?". Whether people do dailyscape content because they want to be competitive, or because they want to reach the endgame ASAP without buying MTX, or whatever else, dailyscape content preys on their psychological weaknesses, whether it's because they're addicted to the fun stuff behind the boring grind, or because they're addicted to trying to be better than others, etc.

Yes i agree its not all that simple. But its a valuable skill to have since you see this sort of manipulation all over the internet (and real world for that matter). facebook also uses tricks to get people to stay longer.
But once you realize this is the case,which it clearly is,it should be easier to let it go. At one point it also becomes so much that people let it go by themselves,i guess that point is close in runescape but it leaves players with a bad feeling,the feeling of missing out.
As long as the players keep responding to it jagex (and other companys) will keep doing it.

What good does daily scape for the player. Not all that much i agree,though i guess there might be a group of players who like the routine. In the end its not all that different from the hardcore grinding of skills (which i used to do long ago as well),its more or less the same just in a bit different form.
I dont like the dailyscape aspect but it doesnt bother me either anymore.
The only possible response is to simply not play it,stop caring and ignore it completely. Its not easy but once you have let it go,it becomes a lot easier!

02-Oct-2019 00:12:12

Blackwing
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HáRassy said:
Yes i agree its not all that simple. But its a valuable skill to have since you see this sort of manipulation all over the internet (and real world for that matter). facebook also uses tricks to get people to stay longer.
But once you realize this is the case,which it clearly is,it should be easier to let it go. At one point it also becomes so much that people let it go by themselves,i guess that point is close in runescape but it leaves players with a bad feeling,the feeling of missing out.
As long as the players keep responding to it jagex (and other companys) will keep doing it.

Yeah I agree that once you get it and are able to resist it, it's a useful skill. But it's not something that you should expect people to adapt to when they first hear it, nor should it be tolerated, because it's no good for the player.


HáRassy said:
What good does daily scape for the player. Not all that much i agree,though i guess there might be a group of players who like the routine. In the end its not all that different from the hardcore grinding of skills (which i used to do long ago as well),its more or less the same just in a bit different form.
I dont like the dailyscape aspect but it doesnt bother me either anymore.
The only possible response is to simply not play it,stop caring and ignore it completely. Its not easy but once you have let it go,it becomes a lot easier!

It's not really the same as regular grinding, not if you design the game to actually be fun (which it obviously should be); if dailyscape and MTX didn't exist, Jagex would either have to make the grinding fun or remove it, otherwise people wouldn't play nor pay for membership, because in that scenario the players couldn't skip the boring parts with neither money nor daily logins.

So even if you feel that dailyscape itself doesn't bother you, consider its consequences, which still might bother you.
"These ghastly beasts CAN be slain! They CAN be overcome!" -Borch Three Jackdaws

02-Oct-2019 17:30:17

Dilbert2001
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Gamers love Dailyscape because they hate stupid routine grind for tiny rewards.

Game developers like Blizzard aren't going to "shelve" BG and daily challenges in their games like WoW and Hearthstone. Of course, Jagex is not going to shelve Twisted League. They want to add more rather. :D

03-Oct-2019 18:00:12

ELITEáSTACK
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Dailyscape isn't bad on it's on. I do 6-8 dailyscape things per day and normally takes less then 30 minutes depending on which daily challenge I get.


Things I do are

1. motherlode maw

2. Pop

3.daily th keys

4. Traveling merchant depending on stock

5. crystal tree in priff

6. daily challenge

7. Buying runes from runes store.

8. Vis wax


It may seem like alot, but only takes 30 minutes max. However I think some of this should be permanent content like adding some motherlode maw items like enhancers to other type of gameplay activity.
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03-Oct-2019 18:18:05

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