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Tibbsdavey
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Tibbsdavey

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I am confused that my Seren Godbow now uses the araxyte arrows I have in my quiver, yet the SGB is not supposed to use ammo other than the new Blackstone arrows. I keep the araxyte arrows in the quiver, so I still have ammo when I switch to a shieldbow or nox bow flanking switch. However with the recent update the SGB uses my araxyte arrows.

I have 2 concerns:
1. It is not a lot but I don't like having to pay for these araxyte arrows which the SGB is not supposed to use.
2. I am not getting full t92 damage anymore when araxyte arrows are in quiver.

Here are the damage stats under different scenarios.

With no armor equipped, and nothing in ammo slot sgb ability dmg is 1694.
Above with blackstone arrows ability dmg is also 1694.
Above with araxyte arrows ability dmg is 1666.

So the update has reduced damage of the sgb if you have less than blackstone in the quiver. So my only work-around is now to switch ammo when switching to shieldbow, or use blackstone all the time.

Neither is a good solution.

- switching ammo on top of weap switch is definitely a minus v before update.
- since blackstone are 3890 each I am all of sudden paying a huge amount for arrows which add no value if used on a target with 100% hit chance.

Could the development team please make it so SGB damage is always calculated as if there was t92 ammo in the quiver. I can live with the lost araxyte arrows but not the lost damage.

01-Apr-2019 23:27:46

Nex is Life
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Don't use Araxyte arrows with an SGB then?

Shieldbows are utter shit, a crossbow with shield/defender is superior in every regard. Nox bow flanking is also a brainlet choice when you could be using an off-hand that lets you keep the bakriminel bolt proc chance with asc, the T92 accuracy too if you have blightbound for mh.

Your proposal would ruin the ability to use arrows with the SGB which would be a step backwards as we could no longer benefit from certain arrows' effects.

Tibbsdavey said:
- since blackstone are 3890 each I am all of sudden paying a huge amount for arrows which add no value if used on a target with 100% hit chance.
Don't bring them to places you have 100% hitchance then lol?
You'll get it when you deserve it.

02-Apr-2019 00:32:41 - Last edited on 02-Apr-2019 00:33:54 by Nex is Life

Tibbsdavey
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what a helpful comment.

I didn't ask what my choice should be, I am commenting on the functionality of the weapon before and after the update. The fact is that before the update the SGB hit harder if there were araxyte arrows in the quiver than now. Is it too much to expect that a t92 weapon that does not require ammo hit damage at a t92 rate?

02-Apr-2019 08:11:58

Vaseth
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Nex is Life said:
Don't use Araxyte arrows with an SGB then?

Shieldbows are utter shit, a crossbow with shield/defender is superior in every regard. Nox bow flanking is also a brainlet choice when you could be using an off-hand that lets you keep the bakriminel bolt proc chance with asc, the T92 accuracy too if you have blightbound for mh.

i could go into how in certain situation the longer range of a long bow is useful, or how you cant use black stone arrows in a brossbow, which are helpful on certain team bosses or 1 person to use, but thats not even the point, as the fact you prefer one thing is not a good reason to keep something else broken


Your proposal would ruin the ability to use arrows with the SGB which would be a step backwards as we could no longer benefit from certain arrows' effects.

not if jagex made it s that you still could? can your brain not comprehend that its possible to make it so that special effect arrows could be used with sgb still, and normal ones not?


Tibbsdavey said:
- since blackstone are 3890 each I am all of sudden paying a huge amount for arrows which add no value if used on a target with 100% hit chance.
Don't bring them to places you have 100% hitchance then lol?

im pretty sure your intentionally misunderstanding his point, which is he has to choose between wasting money on BSA where not needed in order to get full damage on sgb, having to switch in arrows every time he uses shieldbow switch, or having the damage on his sgb lowered by keeping nox arrows in his quiver, all of which are a step backwards


to be honest it was fine before they changed how bsa's were used from quiver.

id still lose a dozen or so an hour, which is an extra 100k cost

what id like to see personally is bsa's stop being consumed when target is maximum debuffed already

02-Apr-2019 09:50:02 - Last edited on 02-Apr-2019 09:52:07 by Vaseth

Nex is Life
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Vaseth said:
i could go into how in certain situation the longer range of a long bow is useful, or how you cant use black stone arrows in a brossbow, which are helpful on certain team bosses or 1 person to use, but thats not even the point, as the fact you prefer one thing is not a good reason to keep something else broken
1. Literally nowhere
2. If someone wants to use BSA with a shieldbow to debuff then the "problem" stated by OP is moot Vaseth said:
not if jagex made it s that you still could? can your brain not comprehend that its possible to make it so that special effect arrows could be used with sgb still, and normal ones not?
They could, or people just just not equip arrows they don't want to use? Vaseth said:
im pretty sure your intentionally misunderstanding his point, which is he has to choose between wasting money on BSA where not needed in order to get full damage on sgb, having to switch in arrows every time he uses shieldbow switch, or having the damage on his sgb lowered by keeping nox arrows in his quiver, all of which are a step backwards
He doesn't have to equip BSAs to get SGB's full damage. It's chargebow ammo still works.
All he has to do is unequip the Araxyte arrows, which you don't need BSAs for. Vaseth said:
what id like to see personally is bsa's stop being consumed when target is maximum debuffed already
yes pls

This would incidentally solve OP's problem of being too lazy to swap arrows.
You'll get it when you deserve it.

02-Apr-2019 16:45:27

Tibbsdavey
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Interesting discussion. It is true that it is effort to switch arrows, which players should be willing to take on. Although it is odd that this should be a new requirement. Moreover, switching arrows does consume inventory spots, so I am not sure laziness is the only reason why someone might want this change.

02-Apr-2019 17:59:25 - Last edited on 02-Apr-2019 18:20:11 by Tibbsdavey

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