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Kcin said:

Yet it isn't. Group content hasn't been apart of comp ever before reaper, and removing reaper doesn't remove bossing from the reqs because of Morvran's challenge. Removing reaper would make it closer to an actual set system.

Group bossing should be on trim comp like all other group reqs are already.


This isn't correct, even the most hardcore solo player has always had to rely on a group to get the comp cape. You absolutely cannot get all 1204 music tracks unlocked without the aid of others in the community whether with friends, or lucking out and happening along a spotlight day and hope enough people are playing specific mini-games. Games you don't get the music for in the lobby, but actually have to play for a certain amount of time.

Some people loathe skilling, questing, bossing, and minigames but if they want the very basic and not really comp, comp cape, they do the very basics to get it. It takes something from all areas to get it. Morvan's special challenge has very few bosses, all but Rax are a walk in the park.

If they go through with removing reaper from the not really and truly comp cape, then they should change the name of the cape and reduce its stats.. No need for "best" cape in game if you're not doing high level pvm, after all. I think Comp (t) should be the true completionist cape and it should require everything for MQC as well. This coming from one who sucks at bossing, is very much a solo player, and is doing what it takes to get the cape, only 6 group bosses and 12 music tracks to go. I have no desire for comp (t), my rheumatoid arthritis filled hands can't take it, but I've ticked off things I can do, just because I enjoy all this game has to offer. :-)

14-Mar-2018 17:00:05 - Last edited on 14-Mar-2018 17:14:18 by SandyHorizon

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SandyHorizon said:

How did I know someone would try and pull this bad example up. Music tracks can easily be moved to unlock in the lobby of said minigame or area. Hell how many music tracks are unlocked by just logging into the game for the first time because they were part of holiday events.


I'm not sure what you think you know, exactly. You made a false claim. I proved you wrong. So, no, I didn't give a bad example. As it stands now and as it has always stood, you cannot get all music tracks unlocked without other players, period. Could Jagex easily do what you suggest? Of course, but is that how it is now or has been in the past? Nope. So your claim, "Comp has never required group content" is not correct.

SandyHorizon said:

they do the very basics to get it... are a walk in the park.
Excluding group bosses would be the very basics too, and tell me more about how paying to leech a group boss is soooooo hard.


You left off the part where I said those basics include doing things we don't enjoying doing. Keeping the 1 kill group boss req is very basic. You can say, "I experienced it, and I will never go back again", and be done. Why are you asking me about leeching as if I said anything about it? I've never leeched because I'm not that kind of a player. If it's so easy though, why don't you just do it and be done with it? I actually reached out for help on my final requirements (I know, the horror!), so many nice people in the community that roll like that, you should try it.

A true comp cape should require everything in game to be done, and not just a one time group boss kill, but getting titles from them and all solo bosses, it should include the master quest cape, misc titles, skills, all mini game rewards, etc. Anything shy of those things is nowhere near completionist. But if you want group bosses removed, you don't deserve comp title, even untrimmed.

14-Mar-2018 20:45:21 - Last edited on 14-Mar-2018 20:47:30 by SandyHorizon

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Kcin said:

If you can prove that the soundtrack is undoubtedly tied to the minigame(as in you can't play it without the music) then it would be group content. But seeing as it is, just because it is connected geographically doesn't mean its connected by mechanics.


You can't even start a game of BA without other players, let alone get to stage 10 to unlock the music track. Regardless of the mechanics.

As to the rest, I already told you I wasn't comp (ut); 6 bosses and 12 music tracks left and half are music tracks for mini games that I can't get without other players. I've also stated that I don't ever plan on getting comp (t). I sure enjoy ticking off as much from that list as I can though. Lastly, you've stated over and over and over again, how easy it is to leech 1 kill group bosses, why not just get it done--even though you consider it unreasonable. As for me, I prefer not to leech, but rather participate in something that is very much a part of the RS community, even if just only for a little while.

15-Mar-2018 10:21:20

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Kcin said:

But can you play the game without music? And trouble brewing you were able to get the track solo before.


We are discussing comp cape requirements not playability. For years, you needed a partner for a few quests and that was only removed a year or so ago. It doesn't matter whether or not you could get the music track from TB solo before, you can't do it now. The music track for TB requires 6 players to even start the game, the track doesn't unlock in the waiting area. If you don't want to be a part of anything group related, you cannot get the comp cape, comp (t) or MQC, period, even if group bosses and music tracks were removed.

Should being on the winning team at CW be removed from the Ardy task set because it forces you to be in a group? Should they remove Enough of the Crazy Walking requirement from the MQC because it requires you to find a group to play through wave 10 of BA to earn honor points to purchase The Account of Aesa Fellsdottir: Parts 1-2? Both games can be leeched, after all.

There are groups dedicated to helping people with comp on all group related requirements, and while there are scammers and leechers within all areas, there are good, honest and helpful people as well. I'm in the same boat as you, many people are, we just have to find the good ones.

The same reasoning you use to justify removing group bossing from comp can be used for mini games and tasks. Lets not pretend that solo bosses are untouchable when it comes to getting around them; there are a lot of people who have friends beat solo bosses or pay people do them.

If we ask Jagex to remove requirements based on being able to leech, which makes it easy, they'd have to revamp every non-solo requirement. You can still argue removing reaper, but not using the group excuse, they've always been a part of basic & comp (t). It isn't out of the ordinary for Jagex to require groups, why should should bosses be excused?

16-Mar-2018 11:51:52 - Last edited on 16-Mar-2018 12:23:31 by SandyHorizon

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Kcin said:

So no you don't need to have the song to play it, so the song is not linked to the game itself but its location, so it isn't group content.


You are too funny with your circular reasoning. You come out with those required music unlocks for comp, done completely solo, and then we'll talk. Good luck with that, unless they remove any music track only obtainable via a group. ;-)

SandyHorizon said:

You said it yourself, Jagex realized the mistake and removed the group aspect. Same can be done about reaper.


Nope, only thing I said is they removed it. I never said it was a mistake. They probably catered to whiners, as usual.

SandyHorizon said:

Different capes, different sets of requirements. You can't compare apples to oranges.


Nope, not comparing apples to oranges. This is about comp requirements and you need to complete all of those achievements because they're directly related to comp, and MQC for that matter.

SandyHorizon said:

The difference is Leeching isn't against the game rules, what you described is.


Good point, but it still happens.

SandyHorizon said:

I see no problem with that on the comp cape. Comp needs to be revamped anyways.


I do see a problem with it. Regarding the whole conventional issue, while group bossing may be "unconventional", adding additional requirements to comp cape upon new releases to the game is not. Group bosses are fairly new, group activities to acquire achievements are not. They already have a max cape. They've given us a minimal effort comp cape, we have comp (t), we have MQC, and you want the whole system revamped so you, poor you, can call yourself a comp cape holder without ever having touched new content? Whatever.

16-Mar-2018 13:55:42

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Even if The Reaper title is removed from comp cape, you'd still have to enter group boss encounters for the music tracks, just like you need people for some of the mini-game tracks. Should Jagex revamp whole music track portion as well? I suppose they could just change it so solo players can just enter mini game lobbies or boss portholes and get tracks, but it may be a code thing since music tracks have always been part of comp requirements. They'd have to move the BA music track to lobby area because as it is now, you can't unlock it without getting to wave 10--which requires a total of 5 players--if people want all group related content gone from comp.

I dreaded the group bosses because I'm a solo player as well. But, I looked around and found people who take others to masses--for free--you just have to join their cc and do as they say so you don't inadvertently kill other players. But, aside from making it to the Yakamaru mirage phase, most tracks open at the beginning of the fight and you only need to hit boss once. If you die after that, it will stick tick off the kill requirement, though I'm not sure if it works that way for the kill at ROTS if you die, unless you're with experienced people who can finish them off. Team I was with not only takes people to masses and smaller groups for bossing, but they help teach if you find you enjoyed the group bossing--for free.

I don't understand why it's such a big deal to have the requirement on comp, but I suppose there could be fixes to take it off and make it so music tracks can be unlocked simply by just showing up. I'm older than most of you and have rheumatoid arthritis which means I'm slow on clicks and such, and I'm on a MAC computer, and I did it. So there is hope for those who don't think they can. :-)

31-Mar-2018 12:30:09

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Kcin said:

People that do not agree with this basically make money form selling boss kills and see a money making methode dying in my opinion.


Some group bossing clans may very well want to keep reaper on comp to make money, but your statement unfairly condemns anyone who prefers the requirement to stay as is. Some people just go with the flow and don't feel the need to protest every single decision. It's not necessarily because we agree with Jagex's decision, we just don't sweat things like this because it's not a big deal--and I don't make a dime for feeling that way, nor do I have a bossing clan to sell leeches. I sought out a group bossing clan that didn't charge me a dime because they genuinely like to help other players achieve their goals. Everyone can do the same if they choose to do so. I'm happy to have the comp cape now, and happy to know I will keep it whether reaper stays on comp or not.

08-Apr-2018 12:56:38 - Last edited on 08-Apr-2018 12:57:05 by SandyHorizon

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Kcin said:

- The reaper is a pointless req when it nearly is already pointless and just causes problems and frustration in the comp cape owners.

Pointless or not, I'm a comp owner and didn't find the requirement frustrating at all. As someone who is not good at bossing, I was thankful it wasn't that hard considering all the other requirements. I am happy the current bossing requirements aren't even harder.

Kcin said:
The comp cape owners have had their say and yet you are still arguing against that.

You're arguing in favor of removing the group boss requirements, which is fine. You're also saying that "comp cape owners" have had their say and that they side with you, which is not fine. In this thread alone, myself and other comp owners have stated we are either indifferent and/or in favor of leaving comp cape as is and you refuse to accept it. You don't speak for me, nor do other comp owners speak for me. The comp cape has consistently inconsistent requirements, it is what it is. I agree with those who said it shouldn't have been called comp in the first place. We all know it's nowhere near completing the entire game, but it does require a lot of major content to be ticked off either by grinding or simply showing up.

The only results I've seen, hell, can even find, are on youtube, and it was results from the web poll, not in game poll. The poll didn't seem very scientific or even consistent. The poll was answered by very few actual comp owners; Livid Farm beat out Reaper for most frustrating comp requirements, yet Reaper also made the top 10 of most enjoyable achievements. The mods said they're only "looking" into it and that it doesn't mean any changes are coming.

Numerous Reddit posts about this topic exist and, just like here, there isn't a majority one way or the other. So if anything, please stop making claims that can't be proven.

25-Apr-2018 09:06:10

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Kcin said:

On just the Reaper title question I referred to ~32 thousand (estimate as exact numbers aren't given) people answered it, I don't know how many people have comp cape overall( I can't find any stats). Either way 32k people is a significant amount that shows the population trends in RS.

And you have the nerve to ask me, "Girl, do you even know what statistics are?" Are you kidding me? Again, I ask you to show me where you are getting your numbers...

COMP SECTION

Do you own any version of the completionist cape?

-Just over 34k+ people answered and the majority answered, "no".
-Just over 2800 people skipped the question altogether

What was the main factor behind you achieving comp cape? Each section of the graph represents 1k

-ONLY 4800+ people answered.
-OVER 32k skipped the question.

Because the powers that be didn't use any numbers at all to represent sections on the "Most Frustrating Requirements", we can only come to the following conclusions:

(1) Assume each section represents 1k answers, as on the previous one, and only those who own comp. Less than 2k people answered that they found reaper frustrating-a hell of a far cry from a 60% majority, it's not even 50%.

(2) Assume each section represents 10k answers, meaning by both comped and non-comped people. In which case, yeah, definitely around 60% of people find it frustrating requirement.

We can assume both of the above for answers representing Top 10 Enjoyable Requirements and defeating each boss once tied with reaper frustration. My problem with what you're saying isn't that you are for removal, but that you keep making the unsubstantiated claim that comp cape owners have spoken. You even made a sad attempt to school me on your perceived fact that it's a majority of comp owners. Just because something is frustrating doesn't necessarily mean people want a requirement removed.

25-Apr-2018 20:13:41 - Last edited on 25-Apr-2018 20:26:06 by SandyHorizon

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I think it would be nice if DTD counted, there are things needed for comp that you really don't have to do, although it would take a long time and a lot of patience. You can buy runespan points, thaler, reaper in a bottle or whatever it's called, and many other things that help players meet their goals. They could count for group bosses as well as solo bosses with phases, too, catch being you'd have to use a DTD each phase and you'd get zero loot--there could be an option to choose between a loot kill or reaper kill to avoid any issues. Although, NEX has four phases and can be insta-killed for loot so I don't see why it'd be a problem to use one dart for a reaper kill except to make it a little harder; you'd have to choose wisely if you needed one dart per phase for a reaper kill to count.

I do have comp, but I don't see how it would be a problem to allow others to get their kills in this way.

11-Dec-2018 02:09:44 - Last edited on 11-Dec-2018 02:15:37 by SandyHorizon

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