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T Olvana

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Kcin said:

Nex is Life said:

You can enter group bosses solo

I can't enter rago with one person, I cant enter raids with one person.


You can. They chaged Vorago so that the entry hit is capped at 12500 and you can get in alone (you will die). Raids are also possible to attempt alone, since it is possible to create a "group" of one person (you will probably die).

16-Mar-2018 17:00:49

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Kcin, you refer a lot to the statistics. I must say that you have made some mistakes in that.

First of all, even though a poll results are that most of the comp cape owners are not happy with the reaper requirement, it doesn't mean that reaper should be removed from requirements. The poll just shows people's opinions. Of course, from a business view it is beneficial for Jagex to listen to the players, but peoples opinions don't make things automaticly true.

Second, it may be worth checking how may comp cape owners actually answered to that poll. If there are many that did not answer, your poll speaks for the minority and is not necessarily very trustworthy.

Third, a poll is not necessarily scientific. There are certain criteria for scientific studies and interpreting their results.

By the way, have you heard this saying: a lie, a bigger lie, statistics? (or something like that)

Finally, my opinion on this. What would you say if there was a solo completionist cape, which would require all soloable content in the game? Then there would be another comp cape that would have all the group content as requirement (on top of the solo content). And these capes would really have all the game content in their requirements. If not, change their name to something else. I think someone proposed something like "Adventurer's cape".

25-Apr-2018 15:38:12

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Lush Snow said:


One would obviously say "how about make reaper and music trim reqs and done", and then we can lock this thread and move on with our lives.


Yeah, suppose that works as well. However, why do you come here if you don't like the discussion?

25-Apr-2018 16:16:23

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Kcin said:

"What is a scientific sample?

A scientific sample is a process in which the respondents are chosen randomly by one of several methods. The key component in the scientific sample is that everyone within the designated group (sample frame) has a chance of being selected."


True. You are right. And if I'm not mistaken the people who voted were not randomly chosen. Instead, they decided to vote themselves. This means that the poll's results are not necessarily to be trusted.

Maybe the poll was scientific. That, however, doesn't mean that it presents the truth. Scientific studies can and will sometimes go wrong for whatever reason.

And I wasn't trying to actually prove anything by presenting the saying. I brought it up because it describes statistics pretty well.

P.S. I'm not really claiming that the poll is absolutely false and you are wrong or anything. I'm just bringing up things that are worth considering.

26-Apr-2018 07:04:18

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Oh dear Kcin, I start to feel that you are thinking more with your heart than your brains.
Kcin said:

Random sampling:
"A sampling method in which all members of a group (population or universe) have an equal and independent chance of being selected."
It was a random sample, please read up before you make comments like that again in the future. All people in this community had an equal chance to partake in the survey Jagex didn't select certain people.


No, you are wrong. It is true that in a random sample every person in the studied group (in this case, those who have comp cape) have the same chance of being selected. The key word here is select. Those people who answered that poll were not selected by any means. They answered themselves. In a random sample the person (or company or whatever) who conducts the poll randomly selects people from the group that is studied. Equal chance to partake is not enough to fill the criteria of random sample.

26-Apr-2018 15:05:59

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You clearly don't read my posts, do you? What have branched questions to do with this? I never spoke anything of them.

And again, the poll was not conducted using a random sample, if the poll was sent to every comp cape owner. I don't know the English term for it, but it may be something like "a whole sample". Obviously, this results in better accuracy than a random sample, but brings back the question: how many of the comp cape owners voted? I don't ask you to bring up any numbers as you already did that, and in my opinion, 32k seems pretty close to the overall amount of players with the comp cape, considering the amount of players playing RS3. But I may be wrong as I don't know for sure.

So, after all it seems that the poll presents the view of the majority of comp cape owners accurately. Then again, it is just their opinion.

26-Apr-2018 15:58:00

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I'm not entirely sure what part you don't understand. You definitely know what is random sampling's definiton, but this poll does not meet the criteria. Why? Because it was sent to every comp cape owner. Not randomly chosen comp cape owners. I never said that because someone did not answer it is not a random sample.

I do realize that people did not answer can also hate reaper requirement but we don't know for sure. It may very well be the other way around.

And finally, you decided to completely ingore my second last sentence in my post before this. Let me repeat: So, after all it seems that the poll presents the view of the majority of comp cape owners accurately.

26-Apr-2018 16:20:42

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Kcin said:

Yet the nonRS players never got it if you wanna go that route. The whole world had access to the survey (it was posted online) and jagex selected randomly the RS players and through that got a representative sample of comp owners.


This text I quoted is completely absurd. It is totally irrelevant what nonRS players think. The target group of this was RS players so that forms the basic group of the study. If the survey was sent to every one of the target group, it was not random sampling. And let me clarify: Studying the whole population is more accurate than studying just a sample of it. This means that this poll is better than a poll done with random sampling.

Again, you ignored this, so I'll put this here for third time and maybe you will notice it: So, after all it seems that the poll presents the view of the majority of comp cape owners accurately.

26-Apr-2018 16:35:26 - Last edited on 26-Apr-2018 16:36:11 by T Olvana

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So, Mr/Ms Kcin. You have chosen to see only what you want to see and turn a blind eye to everything else. If that is your chosen path, so be it. I have said everything I have to say and I will retreat from this conversation. I shall make a summary of my arguments and statements for you before I leave.

1) The poll was not conducted using a random sampling, because it was sent to everyone. This, however, makes it more accurate than a poll which uses random sampling due to larger representation.

2) It is always worth considering how many answered and did not answer. However, in this case, it is likely that this is not a big deal, because apparently quite many did answer.

3) After considering arguments in this conversation, I have come into conclusion that the poll represents the majority and is accurate. (This is the fourth and the last time I say this.) I never actually claimed anything else.

Farewell, Mr/Ms Kcin. Maybe we meet again, but it will likely not happen on this thread.

26-Apr-2018 16:56:43

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Singularity said:

Freedom of choice. It's how bosses used to be after all. You used to be able to go with how many people you like. Are you a lone wolf and prefer to kill stuff alone? Go right ahead. Does soloing bore you? No problem, take a friend or multiple friends. The choice is yours.

It's only the past several years that bosses adopted a "one or the other" system. It's either strictly team or solo - never really both. This shuts players depending on what they prefer. I get why they likely went down this route. Bosses became ridiculously easy when killed in large groups if the boss could be reasonably soloed. You can fix this though by simply scaling the difficulty to the amount of people in the room. Rewards could also be scaleable. If a boss is intended to be group-only, there's no harm adding a solo option for those that really want it.

This game does well because of the freedom you have. It satisfies many different types of people. I feel it's quite important to keep that freedom rather than shut people off.

Like people have said, regular comp is primarily personal. Most stuff you do can be done on your own. There's no need to depend on others. Some people that want a change aren't lazy that don't want to put in the work, they just don't want to be limited by others. Killing a boss on your own still would make you worthy of wearing the cape. You still have to prove yourself. You still have to work for the combat stats it offers.

More people would be happier this way. Isn't that a good thing?


These are words of wisdom. I completely agree with you.

07-Jun-2018 18:52:13

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