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Prime Axiom
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Dilbert2001 said:
Is wildy and PvP combat content not still game content?

It's called the completionist cape, not the Care Bear's cape.

You gotta complete all notable game content for it. End of story.


I suppose you think this deters me? I wouldn't be the one whining if they added BH or PVP requirements to comp. I actually happen to support adding bounty reward requirements to completionist capes. It would breathe life into PKing in a meaningful as a major part of why PKing is dead is that people are too busy with better content. Forcing people to unlock BH rewards would make PKing a regular activity.

Kcin said:

How is killing raids once more notable than completing the slayer codex? Or getting tier 10 rep in meno? How is rots more notable than penance king? The reqs are arbitrary end of story.


Both slayer codex and t10 are already trimmed comp requirements? So what's your point? Move them down to comp reqs? Fine by me. As for the penance king, it is a great shame that it's not a completionist requirement. Just like with PKing, we have a shortage of players willing to participate in barbarian assault. I fully support adding a Penance King kill to the list of completionist reqs. In fact, I'll one up you. I support adding Penance King as a reaper requirement, and making it an unsafe death.

06-Mar-2018 01:27:56 - Last edited on 06-Mar-2018 01:40:46 by Prime Axiom

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Prime Axiom said:

Both slayer codex and t10 are already trimmed comp requirements? So what's your point?


So why couldn't reaper be made a trim comp req then? So what's my point? My point is the reqs are arbitrary and there is no reason why one is on comp and one is on trim besides jagex decided oh i think maybe this should go on trim maybe this on comp. There is no rhyme or reason.
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06-Mar-2018 03:16:51

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Kcin said:
Actually you still never answered mine so whos the one dismissing arguments and talking about dismissed arguments:

No, I responded. Look:Nex is Life said:

You're dismissing my argument soley on the grounds of a being a fallacy which is in itself a fallacy, as is picking that out over other points I've made.
My point, was asking you if you consider trim comp to be solo content as well because of the silly suggestion that because other people can't wear your cape, it's solo content. It's not.
Last time I checked other people couldn't wear my achto, so that can't be a correct definition of whether something is solo content or not.

You still resort to "well other things aren't on comp". How is that a reason to take more things off? If anything it's a reason to put more non-repeatable stuff on.
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06-Mar-2018 04:26:09

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Nex is Life said:

No, I responded.


Ignored again and brought back to a point you didn't answer comp cape is solo content, no others can help you towards 99% of the reqs and tried bringing up a point that group content has rewards.

Why don't you go ahead and answer these.
Kcin said:

Kcin said:

Why isn't the champ challenge on comp cape if reaper is. Why is reaper so important to comp cape that you are so up in arms trying to defend it when there is a plethora of reasons why it is an arbitrary requirement that can easily be removed and replaced. Why isn't Hard as daemons, why isn't nomad's mirage, why isn't diary of oreb, or the history of slayer. The list goes on and on.


Face it reaper is just another arbitrary requirement that can be removed without any actual harm.
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06-Mar-2018 04:31:44 - Last edited on 06-Mar-2018 04:33:53 by Kcin

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Again, the clue is in the name. It's called the Completionist Cape. It implies you have completed all notable ingame content. PVM is a huge part of the game. If anything, you're just pointing out the fact that trimmed is unnecessary, and that comp should just have all the trimmed reqs.

The only reason Jagex even has trimmed vs comp is to give less motivated players a cop-out.

06-Mar-2018 14:10:05 - Last edited on 06-Mar-2018 14:14:04 by Prime Axiom

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Prime Axiom said:
Again, the clue is in the name. It's called the Completionist Cape. It implies you have completed all notable ingame content. PVM is a huge part of the game. If anything, you're just pointing out the fact that trimmed is unnecessary, and that comp should just have all the trimmed reqs.

The only reason Jagex even has trimmed vs comp is to give less motivated players a cop-out.


The only reason Jagex even has stats on the Completionist Cape is to give less motivated players something to strive for.
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06-Mar-2018 15:07:22

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Kcin said:
Ignored again and brought back to a point you didn't answer comp cape is solo content, no others can help you towards 99% of the reqs and tried bringing up a point that group content has rewards.

Deflecting criticism with criticism whilst not actually answering, well played.

Other people not being able to wear your comp cape does not make it solo content. You can't hold the standards of other people not sharing your personal reward up to other rewards, unless you're also saying to remove group requirements from trim and MQC as other people can't wear your Trim/MQC, nor can you hold it up to group activity rewards because other people can't wear my Achto.

"Other people can't wear your comp therefore comp is solo content" is exactly what you claimed - here: Kcin said:
Get back to me on that when you get multiple people to wear the cape you own and not their own.
and what I have answered three times, answers that you avoided responding to three times with fallacies, and now you change your argument again to "99% of other requirements are solo".

What does it matter that other requirements are soloable? It's not a group content only cape nor a solo content only cape, it's a RuneScape content cape that includes both solo and group content.

Kcin said:
Why isn't the champ challenge on comp cape if reaper is...

I've already answered that twice, so have other people. Saying why isn't x a requirement is not a reason to remove y. Firstly you could use that argument against any requirement. Oh Champion scrolls aren't on there? Well why is burying Clarence? Secondly, that's more of reason to put some of those requirements on comp instead of taking some off.
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06-Mar-2018 15:55:30 - Last edited on 06-Mar-2018 16:01:00 by Nex is Life

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I know there's already been a long discussion so far, and I've skimmed through the previous pages, but I still thought I'd share my own opinion even though it'll surely overlap with some others' comments:

I don't think the reaper title should be removed from the list of comp requirements. I've never had much luck thinking of (or hearing about) any reasons in favor of its removal other than the fact that some players don't meet the requirement. If the "I don't meet the requirements, which means the requirements should be removed so that I can have it" argument is fair game, why is there even such a thing as a comp cape at all? It should have zero requirements so that every player can have it, right? I know it's blunt, but I think it might just be that ironic. :P

I absolutely think there's something to be said about requirements being "reasonable." In other words, if the reaper title required 1,000 kills at every boss instead of one, my opinion would probably be different. One kill, though, is as far into the realm of "getting your feet wet with just about everything" as a requirement can possibly be.

06-Mar-2018 17:21:16

Dilbert2001
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Prime Axiom said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Is wildy and PvP combat content not still game content?

It's called the completionist cape, not the Care Bear's cape.

You gotta complete all notable game content for it. End of story.


I suppose you think this deters me? I wouldn't be the one whining if they added BH or PVP requirements to comp. I actually happen to support adding bounty reward requirements to completionist capes. It would breathe life into PKing in a meaningful as a major part of why PKing is dead is that people are too busy with better content. Forcing people to unlock BH rewards would make PKing a regular activity.




No. I don't even care if what I wrote "deter" you or somebody else. It was just an example on why there is no "right" thing to do to "fix" "completionist". The best solution is just to replace compeletionist with different titles/capes for different achievements more appropriate to the aspects of such achievements.

For instance, we can have Solo Hero, PvP Warlord, Minigame Guru, etc instead of just the severely out of date, and in many cases uncompleteable for non-vertean players "completionist". Trimmed Completionist" should probably be renamed something like True Game Master.

I think my idea is more friendly and palatable to every player than calling the requirements that somebody don't want to do "complete trash" and demand them to be removed.

06-Mar-2018 18:39:54 - Last edited on 06-Mar-2018 19:18:43 by Dilbert2001

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