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Lethalintent
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I support this avenue entirely.

I wouldn't be against just entirely removing Reaper and renaming comp cape either, but this is a very nice middle ground.
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08-Mar-2018 13:33:49

Kcin
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Nex†is†Life said:

Replacing a requirement that has people crying with one that doesn't sure sounds like making it easier.

Right now you are the one "crying" the most about a req being removed.funny how you keep saying making people happy is making it easier. Just go try and do Hard as daemons or nomad's mirage and you'll know they are equally as challenging or harder than doing a group boss. But if you were a true completionist gamer you would have done that already...

Nex†is†Life said:

But putting them on is not really a good idea.

Its as good of an idea as putting group bosses on comp.


Nex†is†Life said:
Wildy on the other hand

And shows how much you know about wilderness fighting.

Nex†is†Life said:

1 Comp cape is for "completing" most content.

So is quests/lore/skilling yet there are many reqs that could be made onto comp that aren't there, so no it is not for completing most content as most content you never touch going for comp.
Nex†is†Life said:

2 You don't know that

I know that because there hasn't been a set of guidlines as to what is defined as comp cape req, requirements. Find the list that shows the checks they go through before putting something on comp to prove that wrong.
Nex†is†Life said:

3 There is some

Prove it, and I guarantee i can debunk that with thousands of other reqs that fit that but aren't on.
Nex†is†Life said:

4 put more reqs on

Not the point of the debate.

Nex†is†Life said:

You have stated. Stating something doesn't make it true.

"ar∑bi∑trar∑y
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based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system."
Its a fact that comp reqs fall into all those categories. So by fact they are arbitrary
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Kcin said:
Just go try and do Hard as daemons or nomad's mirage and you'll know they are equally as challenging or harder than doing a group boss. But if you were a true completionist gamer you would have done that already...

And shows how much you know about wilderness fighting.

So is quests/lore/skilling yet there are many reqs that could be made onto comp that aren't there, so no it is not for completing most content as most content you never touch going for comp.

I know that because there hasn't been a set of guidlines as to what is defined as comp cape req, requirements. Find the list that shows the checks they go through before putting something on comp to prove that wrong.

Prove it, and I guarantee i can debunk that with thousands of other reqs that fit that but aren't on.

based on random choice or personal whim
Nomad's Mirage is easy. I could agree it's on par with one boss, but not all of them.

A lot more than you I promise. But please tell me what you thought was wrong.

There are more things that could be on comp but it's a lot. Since the requirements are certainly greater than "find a lore book" "do x post quest content that takes 5 minutes". MQC has 191 requirements vs untrimmed comp 68, but those 68 are most of the game. Not saying that all those lore requirements shouldn't be on comp.

What seems to be random to you? Look at whats on rather than what isn't. Master all skills, complete all quests, do all tasks, unlock all music (visit every place/activity), unlock all spells, unlock all prayers (except praesul cos 1.5b), unlock all potions, defeat all bosses... hmm... I'm starting to see a pattern... nah must be purely whimsical choices.
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08-Mar-2018 17:52:03

Kcin
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Nex†is†Life said:
Nomad's Mirage is easy. I could agree it's on par with one boss, but not all of them.

Difficulty cannot be used as an example for group bosses which can be leeched which is easier than Nomad's Mirage.

Nex†is†Life said:

A lot more than you I promise.

Just go check OSRS youll see majority of them aren't even using gear equivalent to our game.

Nex†is†Life said:

MQC has 191 requirements vs untrimmed comp 68, but those 68 are most of the game.

68 vs 191, sounds like one cape definitely does more than the other cape whats the difference between doing a 5 min post quest reward vs doing a 10 min single boss leech? Nothing.

Nex†is†Life said:

What seems to be random to you? Look at whats on rather than what isn't. Master all skills, complete all quests, do all tasks, unlock all music (visit every place/activity), unlock all spells, unlock all prayers (except praesul cos 1.5b), unlock all potions, defeat all bosses... hmm... I'm starting to see a pattern... nah must be purely whimsical choices.


Tell me how it isn't random, start listing all the things that aren't comp that are similar to things that are on comp. Also not all abilities unlocked, not all spells are needed to be unlocked not all prayers(you stated it but still). Show me the list that Jagex uses to determine what is on Comp?
Kcin said:

"ar∑bi∑trar∑y
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based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system
."

There is no system that they go off of, they don't go off of reason or a lot more would be on comp cape, it is all random choice and personal whim by the Jmods.
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08-Mar-2018 18:38:18

Nex†is†Life
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Kcin said:

Difficulty cannot be used as an example for group bosses which can be leeched which is easier than Nomad's Mirage.

Just go check OSRS youll see majority of them aren't even using gear equivalent to our game.

68 vs 191, sounds like one cape definitely does more than the other cape whats the difference between doing a 5 min post quest reward vs doing a 10 min single boss leech? Nothing.

Tell me how it isn't random, start listing all the things that aren't comp that are similar to things that are on comp. Also not all abilities unlocked, not all spells are needed to be unlocked not all prayers(you stated it but still).

There is no system that they go off of, they don't go off of reason or a lot more would be on comp cape, it is all random choice and personal whim by the Jmods.
Hmm you're right. Nomad's Mirage should definately be a req.

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So true skill mastery, master quester and taskmaster are equal to finding the journals from adamant dragons or defeating the pheonix once. Good to know.

I didn't say anything about abilities, but I do think untradable ones should be added. What spells don't you need? Livid, Seren, Bones to Peaches, Tune Bane ore... what else is there

Ok so it's random, there is NO system, reasoning or process.
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seems right??

No.
-Max out skills, quests, tasks, most unlockables, complete most things that can reasonably be completed
-Move unreasonable shit that takes thousands of hours more to trim
-MQC stuff is discovering backstory rather than role playing story
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08-Mar-2018 20:20:54 - Last edited on 08-Mar-2018 20:21:33 by Nex†is†Life

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I think this is a prefect middle ground idea for the reaper comp requirement.

I'm personally note a PvMer, but I do support it as a requirement for the trimmed comp cape (since that is an everything of everything cape). But I like the idea of making a reaper cape attached to the comp cape to make it better.
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08-Mar-2018 21:14:55

Kcin
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Nex†is†Life said:
Hmm you're right. Nomad's Mirage should definately be a req.
Replace Reaper.

Nex†is†Life said:

Learn PvP in the REAL GAME.

Learn to know what an example is, they have the same bounty hunter style we do, and you don't see them going around in top tier gear unless they are streaming.

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I didn't say anything about abilities, but I do think untradable ones should be added. What spells don't you need?

The PvP unlockable one, mazcab one.

Nex†is†Life said:

No.
-Max out skills, quests, tasks, most unlockables, complete most things that can reasonably be completed
-Move unreasonable shit that takes thousands of hours more to trim
-MQC stuff is discovering backstory rather than role playing story

Thought you'd never get to this:
MQC: quests and lore are the story of this game, one definition of beating a game is beating the story which comp cape doesn't need, minigames you never touch in comp, it makes even less sense that tier 10 in one meno area is a trim req while having max rep in meno is a trim req as well, Nomad's miniquest, yet an unreasonable group boss is comp req, but beating all the quest bosses aren't? Why is constructing the tuska mask? Why is the kudos a req? Why isn't unlocking the ports gear but the cape is? Why is catching all the imps on this list? Why is reaper on this list but others aren't. The list goes on.

The question you keep avoiding because you can't answer it:

Kcin said:
Why is reaper so important to comp cape that you are so up in arms trying to defend it
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08-Mar-2018 21:16:49

Nex†is†Life
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Kcin said:
Replace Reaper.

Learn to know what an example is, they have the same bounty hunter style we do, and you don't see them going around in top tier gear unless they are streaming.

The PvP unlockable one, mazcab one.

MQC: quests and lore are the story of this game, one definition of beating a game is beating the story

Why is reaper so important to comp cape that you are so up in arms trying to defend it
Nomad is easier, but even if it were harder than every boss, having another possible requirement isn't a reason to take one off.

Let me know when you log into RS3. If you have an high tier emblem worth 30m of BH points it's absolutely worth risking for, and people do.

What Mazcab spell? Ability to modify teletabs isn't really a spell.

First the definition of "beating a game" can vary greatly game to game. Obviously as an RPG story is a big thing, but not everything. Max stats is another thing.
What I'm saying is that some MQC requirements aren't necessarily a part of the story. Technically, as an RPG. So yes you complete all quests. Reading a book after the quest to learn more isn't essential, unless that book and your character knowing whats in it is part of the story.
You do have to defeat all quest bosses as you fight Nomad/Gielinor in the quest itself.
Reefwalker cape scroll is on because Comp has the same HP and armour as a Superior Reefwalker cape to keep it best in slot.

Already answered this numerous times, you just don't like my answers and repeat the question instead of challenging them.
1 Comp shouldn't be devalued
2 Completing most of the game includes PvM
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08-Mar-2018 22:52:34

Kcin
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Nex†is†Life said:
Nomad is easier

Leeching one boss is easier.

Nex†is†Life said:

Let me know when you log into RS3.

Let me know when you actually PvP.

Nex†is†Life said:

What Mazcab spell? Ability to modify teletabs isn't really a spell.

"The Mazcab teleport codex is an item that can be used to unlock Mazcab Teleport spell which can be found on the Normal spellbook. It can be bought from the Armoursmith for 2,000 Teci."
"Bounty Teleport is a spell that may be purchased from the Bounty Hunter & Deathmatch Reward Shop for 100 Deathmatch reward points."


Nex†is†Life said:

What I'm saying is that some MQC requirements aren't necessarily a part of the story.

Same can be said about majority of bosses.

Nex†is†Life said:

Reading a book after the quest to learn more isn't essential

Same with a boss kill.

Nex†is†Life said:

Reefwalker cape scroll is on because Comp has the same HP and armour as a Superior Reefwalker cape to keep it best in slot.

It is a ports scroll unlock so all other port scrolls should be unlocked as a req to if you want it to not be pick and choose random.

Nex†is†Life said:

Already answered this numerous times

You haven't
Nex†is†Life said:

1 Comp shouldn't be devalued

Replacing won't devalue, also harmony moss
Nex†is†Life said:

2 Completing most of the game includes PvM

Again it isn't most of the game and its been proven it isn't most of the game.
Bossing isn't nearly as massive as you make it out to be

What does reaper itself bring to the table that others that aren't on the comp cape would.
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Nex†is†Life
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Kcin said:
Leeching one boss is easier.

Let me know when you actually PvP.

"The Mazcab teleport codex is an item that can be used to unlock Mazcab Teleport spell which can be found on the Normal spellbook. It can be bought from the Armoursmith for 2,000 Teci."

Same can be said about majority of bosses.

It is a ports scroll unlock so all other port scrolls should be unlocked as a req to if you want it to not be pick and choose random.

You haven't
Replacing won't devalue, also harmony moss
Again it isn't most of the game and its been proven it isn't most of the game.
Bossing isn't nearly as massive as you make it out to be

What does reaper itself bring to the table that others that aren't on the comp cape would
Doing every boss is not.

I do. On the real game btw.

wtf when was this added to the game

I'm not the one arguing that comp is exclusively for completing the story when it isn't.

It has a good reason to be there, not random at all.

Harmony moss, what??
Replacing with an easier requirement is devaluing.
Saying something is proven does not make it so. But let's say... comp cape is for completing a large amount of core content.
It's the only reason this game isn't dead since only 50 odd people still do PvP.

Clearly, reaper brings a challenge to the table, or people would not be whining for it to be removed.
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09-Mar-2018 01:04:15

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