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SandyHorizon
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Kcin said:

Yet it isn't. Group content hasn't been apart of comp ever before reaper, and removing reaper doesn't remove bossing from the reqs because of Morvran's challenge. Removing reaper would make it closer to an actual set system.

Group bossing should be on trim comp like all other group reqs are already.


This isn't correct, even the most hardcore solo player has always had to rely on a group to get the comp cape. You absolutely cannot get all 1204 music tracks unlocked without the aid of others in the community whether with friends, or lucking out and happening along a spotlight day and hope enough people are playing specific mini-games. Games you don't get the music for in the lobby, but actually have to play for a certain amount of time.

Some people loathe skilling, questing, bossing, and minigames but if they want the very basic and not really comp, comp cape, they do the very basics to get it. It takes something from all areas to get it. Morvan's special challenge has very few bosses, all but Rax are a walk in the park.

If they go through with removing reaper from the not really and truly comp cape, then they should change the name of the cape and reduce its stats.. No need for "best" cape in game if you're not doing high level pvm, after all. I think Comp (t) should be the true completionist cape and it should require everything for MQC as well. This coming from one who sucks at bossing, is very much a solo player, and is doing what it takes to get the cape, only 6 group bosses and 12 music tracks to go. I have no desire for comp (t), my rheumatoid arthritis filled hands can't take it, but I've ticked off things I can do, just because I enjoy all this game has to offer. :-)

14-Mar-2018 17:00:05 - Last edited on 14-Mar-2018 17:14:18 by SandyHorizon

Kcin
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Nex is Life said:
Did I say Slayer wasn't PvM

What other skill can you train only by killing monsters? Combat skills there are methods that invovle no monsters at all. Hence slayer is the Main PvM skill. Besides the point anyway.


Nex is Life said:

Anyway proves you wrong

Yet it doesn't because you know nothing about Nomad's mirage as it has different mechanics than in the quest.


Nex is Life said:
I said you should have a "taste" of every boss

Nex is Life said:

Also reaper is only 26 out of over 40 bosses.

Something is still off. So does reaper give a taste of every boss or does it not? Make up your mind.

Nex is Life said:

that aren't conventional are excluded,

So whats wrong with unconventional forced group bosses being excluded too? Penance king already is. Soul Reaper already does it too.

Still no reason why reaper is so special that it can't be replaced.

SandyHorizon said:
music tracks unlocked

How did I know someone would try and pull this bad example up. Music tracks can easily be moved to unlock in the lobby of said minigame or area. Hell how many music tracks are unlocked by just logging into the game for the first time because they were part of holiday events.

SandyHorizon said:

they do the very basics to get it... are a walk in the park.

Excluding group bosses would be the very basics too, and tell me more about how paying to leech a group boss is soooooo hard

Just because if jagex removes group bossing from comp doesn't mean that bossing is all of a sudden not apart of comp
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14-Mar-2018 17:57:18 - Last edited on 14-Mar-2018 18:12:52 by Kcin

SandyHorizon
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SandyHorizon said:

How did I know someone would try and pull this bad example up. Music tracks can easily be moved to unlock in the lobby of said minigame or area. Hell how many music tracks are unlocked by just logging into the game for the first time because they were part of holiday events.


I'm not sure what you think you know, exactly. You made a false claim. I proved you wrong. So, no, I didn't give a bad example. As it stands now and as it has always stood, you cannot get all music tracks unlocked without other players, period. Could Jagex easily do what you suggest? Of course, but is that how it is now or has been in the past? Nope. So your claim, "Comp has never required group content" is not correct.

SandyHorizon said:

they do the very basics to get it... are a walk in the park.
Excluding group bosses would be the very basics too, and tell me more about how paying to leech a group boss is soooooo hard.


You left off the part where I said those basics include doing things we don't enjoying doing. Keeping the 1 kill group boss req is very basic. You can say, "I experienced it, and I will never go back again", and be done. Why are you asking me about leeching as if I said anything about it? I've never leeched because I'm not that kind of a player. If it's so easy though, why don't you just do it and be done with it? I actually reached out for help on my final requirements (I know, the horror!), so many nice people in the community that roll like that, you should try it.

A true comp cape should require everything in game to be done, and not just a one time group boss kill, but getting titles from them and all solo bosses, it should include the master quest cape, misc titles, skills, all mini game rewards, etc. Anything shy of those things is nowhere near completionist. But if you want group bosses removed, you don't deserve comp title, even untrimmed.

14-Mar-2018 20:45:21 - Last edited on 14-Mar-2018 20:47:30 by SandyHorizon

Kcin
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SandyHorizon said:

You made a false claim.

I did not as, a music track is not group content, and the fact that some(if they weren't auto unlocked) would be impossible to get(sometimes) make that a moot point as there is no actual content behind a music track it can be unlocked from anywhere if Jagex deems it so. So yes It was a bad example. If you can prove that the soundtrack is undoubtedly tied to the minigame(as in you can't play it without the music) then it would be group content. But seeing as it is, just because it is connected geographically doesn't mean its connected by mechanics.


SandyHorizon said:

You left off the part where I said those basics include doing things we don't enjoying doing.

I left it off as it has no standing to what you are saying. Very basic is a very bad term to use. As basic would be solo, basic would be 1 giant mole kill, basic is etc etc

SandyHorizon said:

Why are you asking me about leeching as if I said anything about it?

Talk about me leaving things out:
Kcin said:

SandyHorizon said:

are a walk in the park.

tell me more about how paying to leech a group boss is soooooo hard

You said most bosses on Morvran's challenge are easy. Well so is a group boss where you leech and 100% do nothing for the kill. So tell me which one is actually harder the one you have to actually do yourself, or the leech where you do absolutely nothing.


SandyHorizon said:

Anything shy of those things is nowhere near completionist

If you have just the comp cape and nothing else, you aren't anywhere near a completionist. So what point are you trying to make here? Leaving group bosses out of comp doesn't destroy comp at all. There is a reason why there is a HLF thread that is titled True trim highscore(as it requires everything in game or nearly all)
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14-Mar-2018 21:17:07 - Last edited on 14-Mar-2018 21:19:22 by Kcin

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Jagex should instead make a time machine, go back to the past, and stop skillcapes, comp cape, and pushed completionist culture from ever being born. I find it ridiculous that when I clicked "I never intend to attain the completionist cape" it gave me the followup question "why?" Why would doing every last thing in a game, some of which takes real life MONTHS to attain, be considered the default?

I blame completionist culture for the death of PvP, minigames, and pretty much every other activity in the game that was based more on fun factor than xp/hr. It's an abomination that should have never been; the Gowers never expected anyone to hit 99 in a skill.

As to the whole reaper requirement, I think it should stay. It's actual content that takes actual effort instead of just a ton of time spent AFK'ing. People should have to do that content to say they've utterly completed Runescape.

Also, I find the antipathy to group content flabbergasting. I've played FF11, SMT: IMAGINE, and FF14 as other MMOs, the former two basically necessitating group play for basic content. The majority of endgame players in those games both wholeheartedly support the "Massively Multiplayer" aspect of MMO and don't complain that they lack BiS gear without having cleared the current raid tier equivalent. The people who prefer to do solo activities find their own endgame.

15-Mar-2018 00:31:17 - Last edited on 15-Mar-2018 00:33:36 by Rifleavenger

Prime Axiom
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@Rifleavenger,

OH MY GOD! Someone else finally gets it! Dude, marry me.

Kcin said:
Prime Axiom said:
argument for why PVM reqs should be stripped.

But what reason or argument is there for how much unbalance there is in the comp cape having it heavily lean on the PvM side than any other side of the game?


Prime Axiom said:
If anything, the completionist cape should encompass all the aforementioned unlocks.


That is called Trimmed comp cape, its already in the game. Comp cape is pick and choose a few pieces of content from major areas of the game. It isn't have everything in x part of game be a req. But going off of that, it would make sense to have comp cape be a combination of all the other achievement capes into one(giving it an actual system behind it).


It's not heavily lenient towards PVM. You need to max stats and do a bunch of quests to comp as well. All you gotta do for reaper is kill 1 of each boss, which is super easy. Nothing like raid feats. No speed limits. No restrictions on whether or not you can leech.

Again, I am of the opinion that there should only be 1 comp and that it should encompass every major requirement. The real comp cape is the trim in my eyes. Comp is just a participation trophy. And even then, I don't necessarily see trim as being more prestigious than IFB (which I believe should be added to trim's reqs) - though I may be biased on this point.

15-Mar-2018 00:36:29 - Last edited on 15-Mar-2018 00:45:23 by Prime Axiom

Kcin
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Prime Axiom said:

It's not heavily lenient towards PVM.

You have to do an unproportionate amount of PvM(some even repeating content in PvM compared to the ratios of the other areas of the game. So yes it is actually.

Prime Axiom said:

Comp is just a participation trophy.


In that case what is so terrible about removing group bosses or reaper in whole (knowing bossing stays on the comp cape with reaper's removal).
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Prime Axiom
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Kcin said:
Prime Axiom said:

It's not heavily lenient towards PVM.

You have to do an unproportionate amount of PvM(some even repeating content in PvM compared to the ratios of the other areas of the game. So yes it is actually.

Prime Axiom said:

Comp is just a participation trophy.


In that case what is so terrible about removing group bosses or reaper in whole (knowing bossing stays on the comp cape with reaper's removal).


1 of each boss is too much?

I'll support removing group bosses if you support downgrading stats to kiln cape. Also the Warden title, "Lumbridge strikes back", and Golden Soul Cape must be added to the list of solo-PVM achievements.

15-Mar-2018 00:47:32 - Last edited on 15-Mar-2018 00:50:18 by Prime Axiom

Kcin
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Prime Axiom said:

1 of each boss is too much?

You don't have to do all skilling activities, you don't have to do any PvP, you don't have to get all the lore, so why should you have to do all the bosses?

Unproportionate
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