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PrimaAntiqua
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Prime†Axiom said:
You can kill every boss once in the game by the end of today, arguably in less than 2 hours. Certainly in less than 4. How on earth is that more demanding than asking all skills to be grind to 99, some to 120....and every quest unlocked?

Because you can't with the group bosses. Even if you have the skill for them, you need to find other skilled people and most of those just won't take a 'new' person.
Try going into Raid FC, I dare you. All it is is "Quickchat KC" and if you don't have a large number, no invite. And then you do get in and they're AWFUL. In the time that my usual group does an entire Yaka kill, they had done 2 pools. The team eventually all died 3x and people left.

That is the experience of people trying to do group bosses without a regular team and the experience they face EVERY time they release a new group boss. That is not fun, and for the prestige argument, it shows that who you know is more important than personal skill. I can quite clearly do PvM since I've done 1k Telos, but if I don't have other people around, then group bossing is impossible. It does NOT test your skills and it is NOT prestigious to get group boss kills. And that is why it honestly IS more demanding than asking for things like 120 Slayer.

Prime†Axiom said:

You don't need hardmode Nomad.
You don't have to do 100% enrage Telos, and which is where Telos really begins.

You don't need to obtain any pets.
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You can leech or mass any group boss.
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Then add Hard Mode Nomad and 100% Telos, tests of PERSONAL SKILL, instead of the group bosses that test WHO YOU KNOW. You can't actually mass Raids, RoTS or Solak, and since you can leech all of them, why is it a 'prestigious' requirement? Answer, it is not.
Even things like Raids Feats that you listed can be leeched. Solo PvM can not be.

And while I'd be fine with a few pets, they are RNG so more suited to Trim

15-Mar-2018 12:55:49 - Last edited on 15-Mar-2018 12:56:45 by PrimaAntiqua

Nex†is†Life
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Kcin said:
Using reward xp isn't training a skill and doesn't count for training a skill. You are just getting xp in that case.

When talking about a certain subject you do need to know what you are talking about.

Morvran is still broad, reaper doesn't hold all the bosses(or it does I still cant get a clear answer out of you) so leaving off 4 more bosses won't do anything to harm it.

Compared to the majority of the bosses(which you can solo) they are unconventional. Generally done is soloable bosses, group bosses dont conform to that so are unconventional
So no different than every combat skill except Magic. Regardless of alternate training methods, you're saying Slayer is "the main PvM skill" of the game which isn't true, it's a support skill.

So why are you talking about group bosses?
No I don't remember the mechanics of a (dead content) fight I did once over 2 years ago.

Actually it's 4 solo only, 8 soloable/group bosses and 6 group bosses less than reaper.

Group bossing and raids are unconventional in an MMORPG? rofl
"There are more soloable bosses than group bosses" does not set a convention. I guess solo only is unconventional because there are more group than solo only bosses?
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15-Mar-2018 15:03:51

Qwis7
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So far people that do support group bosses
sell or see a money making way dying in my opinion.

If you keep telos and all the other solo able bosses you do not lower the reqs for the comp at all.

I did see some one posting to make nomad memorie a req for comp and removing the group bosses I would support this.

15-Mar-2018 16:49:37

Kcin
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Nex†is†Life said:
Regardless of alternate training methods, you're saying Slayer is "the main PvM skill" of the game which isn't true

There are ways to gain combat xp in range, melee, and magic skills without fighting. There is no way to get slayer xp without fighting a monster. Reward xp(lamps, etc) are not training. It is the only skill where you have to fight PvM monsters to train it. This is off topic so why do you continue to talk about this when I cleared up what I meant already?

Nex†is†Life said:

So why are you talking about group bosses?

Because I am not talking about the mechanics of the bosses(besides the group required). I am stating that they can be leeched(which everyone knows) and have no actual prestige compared to solo achievements. I am talking about them as a req on reaper. Not the bosses themselves. How can you debate if you don't know what the other person is even talking about?

Nex†is†Life said:

Actually it's 4 solo only, 8 soloable/group bosses and 6 group bosses less than reaper.

but it does align to what you've said reaper does: Nex†is†Life said:
having a taste of every boss
, Nex†is†Life said:
Also reaper is only 26 out of over 40 bosses.

So reaper doesn't fight every boss and gives a taste of every boss, so therefore Morvran's gives a taste of every boss too.

Nex†is†Life said:

Group bossing and raids are unconventional

"un∑con∑ven∑tion∑al
ˌənkənˈven(t)SH(ə)n(ə)l/Submit
adjective
not based on or conforming to what is generally done"
All bosses prior to the first group only bosses(so the majority of bosses in game) are soloable. Group bosses are not soloable. They do not conform to what is generally done(soloable bosses). In runescape by definition they are unconventional.
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15-Mar-2018 17:52:59

Nex†is†Life
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Kcin said:
There are ways to gain combat xp in range, melee, and magic skills without fighting.

How can you debate if you don't know what the other person is even talking about?

therefore Morvran's gives a taste of every boss

not based on or conforming to what is generally done
Sure, but that doesn't change slayer being a support skill.

And I'm talking about Nomad as a comp req, so whats the difference? Except that I can actually do Nomad, you can't do group bosses.

What.
So there are 5 Legionaires, 2 DKs, 1 KQ you don't have to kill for reaper because they are tracked together. Not really a big deal since they are copy pasted.

Some major flaws in your "solo pvm is convention" argument, one is that soloable bosses are often killed in groups, the much bigger one is that all bosses prior to the first group only bosses were released into a completely different combat system - pre-EoC. In RS3 we have had a balanced mix of solo only, soloable and group bosses.
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16-Mar-2018 07:03:57

Qwis7
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Nex†is†Life said:
And btw you don't need to be an arrogant prat copy-pasting dictionary definitions. We get it, you need a dictionary, the rest of us went to school.


But then you used a dictionary to or learned it form a teacher??

Just add a comp req achievement then: Killing x solo...
Add your opinion how to fix it, but it looks more like a yes i want a fix and no i do not want a fix thread. :P

16-Mar-2018 08:28:33

SandyHorizon
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Kcin said:

But can you play the game without music? And trouble brewing you were able to get the track solo before.


We are discussing comp cape requirements not playability. For years, you needed a partner for a few quests and that was only removed a year or so ago. It doesn't matter whether or not you could get the music track from TB solo before, you can't do it now. The music track for TB requires 6 players to even start the game, the track doesn't unlock in the waiting area. If you don't want to be a part of anything group related, you cannot get the comp cape, comp (t) or MQC, period, even if group bosses and music tracks were removed.

Should being on the winning team at CW be removed from the Ardy task set because it forces you to be in a group? Should they remove Enough of the Crazy Walking requirement from the MQC because it requires you to find a group to play through wave 10 of BA to earn honor points to purchase The Account of Aesa Fellsdottir: Parts 1-2? Both games can be leeched, after all.

There are groups dedicated to helping people with comp on all group related requirements, and while there are scammers and leechers within all areas, there are good, honest and helpful people as well. I'm in the same boat as you, many people are, we just have to find the good ones.

The same reasoning you use to justify removing group bossing from comp can be used for mini games and tasks. Lets not pretend that solo bosses are untouchable when it comes to getting around them; there are a lot of people who have friends beat solo bosses or pay people do them.

If we ask Jagex to remove requirements based on being able to leech, which makes it easy, they'd have to revamp every non-solo requirement. You can still argue removing reaper, but not using the group excuse, they've always been a part of basic & comp (t). It isn't out of the ordinary for Jagex to require groups, why should should bosses be excused?

16-Mar-2018 11:51:52 - Last edited on 16-Mar-2018 12:23:31 by SandyHorizon

Kcin
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Nex†is†Life said:
Sure, but that doesn't change slayer being a support skill.

Again never said it wasn't, what i said is that it is the main skill for PvM without alternative training methods. Again its besides the point.

Nex†is†Life said:

so whats the difference?

No you talked about mechanics: Nex†is†Life said:
a repeat of a quest fight
Which means that the fights are the same in and post quest, which they aren't. Talking about mechanics not the req on that comment.

Nex†is†Life said:

So there are 5 Legionaires, 2 DKs, 1 KQ you don't have to kill for reaper because they are tracked together. Not really a big deal since they are copy pasted.

So there are 5 GWD generals, 5GWD2 Generals, 2Black dragon bosses, you have to kill for reaper. Not really a big difference between them since they are copy pasted. If you want to use that logic. Reaper is already missing bosses from its rosters losing the group bosses won't change a thing about that.

Nex†is†Life said:

that soloable bosses are often killed in groups

Doesn't change the fact they are soloable.

Nex†is†Life said:

first group only bosses were released into a completely different combat system - pre-EoC.

They were still able to be entered solo, you can't do that with the group bosses now. So difference it, they are still soloable.
So Group bosses still stand unconventional.
Nex†is†Life said:
arrogant prat copy-pasting dictionary definitions. We get it, you need a dictionary, the rest of us went to school.


Wow, some more ad hominem because you didn't know the meaning of the word yourself. I stated the definition for you since you clearly did not know it:
Nex†is†Life said:

Group bossing and raids are unconventional ... rofl
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