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Kcin
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SandyHorizon said:

We are discussing comp cape requirements not playability.

So no you don't need to have the song to play it, so the song is not linked to the game itself but its location, so it isn't group content.

SandyHorizon said:

For years, you needed a partner for a few quests and that was only removed a year or so ago.

You said it yourself, Jagex realized the mistake and removed the group aspect. Same can be done about reaper.

SandyHorizon said:

Should being on the winning team at CW be removed from the Ardy task set because it forces you to be in a group?

Different capes, different sets of requirements. You can't compare apples to oranges.

SandyHorizon said:

Lets not pretend that solo bosses are untouchable when it comes to getting around them; there are a lot of people who have friends beat solo bosses or pay people do them.

The difference is Leeching isn't against the game rules, what you described is.

SandyHorizon said:

revamp every non-solo requirement.

I see no problem with that on the comp cape. Comp needs to be revamped anyways.
BTW, comp reqs have been changed before.
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16-Mar-2018 13:13:29 - Last edited on 16-Mar-2018 13:29:09 by Kcin

SandyHorizon
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Kcin said:

So no you don't need to have the song to play it, so the song is not linked to the game itself but its location, so it isn't group content.


You are too funny with your circular reasoning. You come out with those required music unlocks for comp, done completely solo, and then we'll talk. Good luck with that, unless they remove any music track only obtainable via a group. ;-)

SandyHorizon said:

You said it yourself, Jagex realized the mistake and removed the group aspect. Same can be done about reaper.


Nope, only thing I said is they removed it. I never said it was a mistake. They probably catered to whiners, as usual.

SandyHorizon said:

Different capes, different sets of requirements. You can't compare apples to oranges.


Nope, not comparing apples to oranges. This is about comp requirements and you need to complete all of those achievements because they're directly related to comp, and MQC for that matter.

SandyHorizon said:

The difference is Leeching isn't against the game rules, what you described is.


Good point, but it still happens.

SandyHorizon said:

I see no problem with that on the comp cape. Comp needs to be revamped anyways.


I do see a problem with it. Regarding the whole conventional issue, while group bossing may be "unconventional", adding additional requirements to comp cape upon new releases to the game is not. Group bosses are fairly new, group activities to acquire achievements are not. They already have a max cape. They've given us a minimal effort comp cape, we have comp (t), we have MQC, and you want the whole system revamped so you, poor you, can call yourself a comp cape holder without ever having touched new content? Whatever.

16-Mar-2018 13:55:42

Kcin
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SandyHorizon said:
unlocks for comp

Trouble brewing song, you state needs a group to get it. I got it with only me.(was possible when i got it 3 years ago)

SandyHorizon said:

Nope, only thing I said is they removed it.

Why would they remove it if it isn't a mistake? History shows Jagex doesn't do it for whiners really(MTX)

SandyHorizon said:

Nope, not comparing apples to oranges

Then yes lets compare the reqs to wear bronze to the reqs to wear comp too. Since that isn't apple to oranges if yours isn't.

SandyHorizon said:

Good point, but it still happens.

With the possibility of being banned/account reset. So not a good excuse. Leechers have no harm against them in any way.

SandyHorizon said:

comp cape holder without ever having touched new content? Whatever.


Ya'll making it seem like I'm the only one who wants this Lol. This wouldn't be an issue this big if it was only me fyi. Jagex wouldn't have even brought up changing reaper if it was only me so stop the bs right here. Group bossers are in the minority of this game. But lets get onto this point:
Nomad's mirage, slayer codex, 90%(over exaggerated) of meno, PvP, 90% of ports, The horrors, deep sea fishing, clue scrolls, stalker creatures, lost grove, inv batch 2, shattered worlds etc are some of the newer updates(there are plenty more that can be added to the list) that comp never touches. So tell me how are comp cape holders touching these new pieces of content(by getting their cape)?
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16-Mar-2018 14:14:38 - Last edited on 16-Mar-2018 14:14:56 by Kcin

Nex is Life
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Kcin said:
Again never said it wasn't, what i said is that it is the main skill for PvM without alternative training methods. Again its besides the point.

So there are 5 GWD generals, 5GWD2 Generals, 2Black dragon bosses, you have to kill for reaper. Not really a big difference between them since they are copy pasted.

Doesn't change the fact they are soloable.

They were still able to be entered solo, you can't do that with the group bosses now. So difference it, they are still soloable.
So Group bosses still stand unconventional.

Wow, some more ad hominem because you didn't know the meaning of the word yourself. I stated the definition for you since you clearly did not know it:
But it's not the main skill for PvM, >90% of PvM isn't has nothing to do with Slayer.

What are you talking about? Legionaires are actually copy pasted and thats why they are tracked together. 2 black dragon bosses that are completely different? lol

Sure, but group bossing has been a thing ever since the first bosses came out.

You can enter group bosses solo, you're just not gonna succeed.
Back on the point, your "convention" of any number of players being able to defeat a boss is pre-EoC and therefore moot. This is what we've had since EoC:
Group, solo/duo, group, group, solo only, 4 x soloable/group, solo only, group, solo only. Another group incoming.
Wow! Looks like group (only) bosses are a part of the game now.

Obviously I do know the meaning of the word, the last few posts haven't been because of misunderstanding, but because we disagree on whether it applies.
That's not ad hominem because I challenged your points, I didn't base my argument on an attack. I even made addressing you being condescending into a seperate post.

Feel free to look up the definition of ad hominem and paste it here too.
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16-Mar-2018 14:40:44

Kcin
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Nex is Life said:
But it's not the main skill for PvM, >90% of PvM isn't has nothing to do with Slayer.

Done trying to explain what I meant(which was clear) to you since it is off topic.

Nex is Life said:

Legionaires are actually copy pasted

So they all require the same key? They all have the same exact mechanics? They are all the exact same from pixel to pixel?

Nex is Life said:

Sure, but group bossing

Group bossing =/= group bosses. One has the option to be soloed, the other does not.

Nex is Life said:

You can enter group bosses solo

I can't enter rago with one person, I cant enter raids with one person.

Nex is Life said:

Looks like group (only) bosses are a part of the game now.

Still unconventional compared to all the bosses that can be soloed and the pattern before they were released. Do i need to get that dictionary for you again?

Nex is Life said:

disagree on whether it applies.

I gave you the definition, it fits the definition. It applies you cant argue that if you know the definition.

Nex is Life said:

That's not ad hominem because I challenged your points

Nex is Life said:
\you don't need to be an
arrogant prat
copy-pasting dictionary definitions.
We get it, you need a dictionary, the rest of us went to school.


Yep those highlighed parts are def not an attack on a person, they are tote mcgotes about a point in an argument. Maybe you should look it up?
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16-Mar-2018 14:53:41

Nex is Life
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Kcin said:
So they all require the same key? They all have the same exact mechanics? They are all the exact same from pixel to pixel?

Group bossing =/= group bosses. One has the option to be soloed, the other does not.

I can't enter rago with one person, I cant enter raids with one person.

Still unconventional compared to all the bosses that can be soloed and the pattern before they were released. Do i need to get that dictionary for you again?

I gave you the definition, it fits the definition. It applies you cant argue that if you know the definition.
Oh boy, that recoloured keystone?
Did I say they were the same boss or did I say they were copy-pasted? As in, they share core mechanics, all their values and most ascepts of their design.
I was the one who said all 6 should be required for reaper but that I understand why they aren't.

Yet group bossing is the reason group bosses exist.

Wrong and wrong. Kcin said:
When talking about a certain subject you do need to know what you are talking about.


The pattern before they were released... Which was pre-EoC. As far as PvM goes, a completely different game. Any existing convention before that is null and void.

It doesn't fit the definition if your convention is false. So I can argue that.
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16-Mar-2018 16:18:26 - Last edited on 16-Mar-2018 16:23:42 by Nex is Life

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Kcin said:
Yep those highlighed parts are def not an attack on a person, they are tote mcgotes about a point in an argument. Maybe you should look it up?


ad hominem
[ad hom-uh-nuh m -nem, ahd‐]
adjective
is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

You're right, my attack was "def not an attack on a person, they are tote mcgotes about a point in an argument". Therefore it does not fit the definition. Ad hominem isn't just a personal attack, it's responding to an argument with a personal attack.

Too bad you didn't look it up.
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16-Mar-2018 16:19:35 - Last edited on 16-Mar-2018 16:20:10 by Nex is Life

T Olvana
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Kcin said:

Nex is Life said:

You can enter group bosses solo

I can't enter rago with one person, I cant enter raids with one person.


You can. They chaged Vorago so that the entry hit is capped at 12500 and you can get in alone (you will die). Raids are also possible to attempt alone, since it is possible to create a "group" of one person (you will probably die).

16-Mar-2018 17:00:49

Kcin
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Nex is Life said:

Did I say they were the same boss or did I say they were copy-pasted?

Saying copy-pasted means they are the same, and the mechanics are actually different from boss to boss fyi.

Nex is Life said:

Yet group bossing is the reason group bosses exist.

So you admit group bosses =/= group bossing. Good to get that out of the way


Wrong and wrong. Kcin said:
When talking about a certain subject you do need to know what you are talking about.


Nex is Life said:
is null and void.

Yeah thats not how it works. They had the ability to make them blocked off from solo attempts, but they didn't. That isn't a different game.

Nex is Life said:

It doesn't fit the definition if your convention is false.

Yet it isn't. it fits the definition word by word.

Nex is Life said:

is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby an argument is rebutted by attacking the character

Nex is Life said:
arrogant prat

We get it, you need a dictionary, the rest of us went to school.

That fits.

Nex is Life said:

other attribute of the person making the argument

Nex is Life said:

We get it, you need a dictionary, the rest of us went to school.

Fits again

Nex is Life said:

Ad hominem isn't just a personal attack.

Wrong, it is a personal attack in place of actually looking at the argument. To bad you can't understand the definition.

T Olvana said:

You can.

Ahh so they have figured out(again) group limited bosses = a bad idea because people want to solo them huh...
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16-Mar-2018 17:00:53 - Last edited on 16-Mar-2018 17:21:28 by Kcin

Nex is Life
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Kcin said:
Saying copy-pasted means they are the same, and the mechanics are actually different from boss to boss fyi.

So you admit group bosses =/= group bossing. Good to get that out of the way

Yeah thats not how it works. They had the ability to make them blocked off from solo attempts, but they didn't. That isn't a different game.

Yet it isn't. it fits the definition word by word.

Ahh so they have figured out(again) group limited bosses = a bad idea because people want to solo them huh...
A large amount of them was copy pasted I didn't say they were exactly the same, but near enough. "The mechanics"? That's plural. One mechanic is different for each Legio.
I guarantee I have done more Legionaires than you, I know what I'm talking about.

Yep never denied that. Just waiting for you to admit that both are a part of the game.

Nothing is blocked off from solo attempts. There are just mechanics that require multiple people now.

Nope, because no convention prior to EoC can be applied.

The cap on the Rago starting damage was lowered to allow duo/trios.
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16-Mar-2018 17:46:12

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