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Kcin
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Nex is Life said:

the change

The change that allows people into vorago(say reaper is taken off) allows solo people to get the music. Also the fact that it is now possible to try to solo shows that people wanted the attempt. If it was only for duo min they would have made the lp damage differently.

Nex is Life said:

that it doesn't really matter anyway.

So the "removal" of 5 bosses doesn't matter? But the removal of ~4 does? Logic.

Nex is Life said:

Removal of reaper wouldn't have an affect on amount of bosses required?

I said it wouldn't affect the bossing req.(to make simpler for you:It still has bossing) Morvran's challenge is still there. FYI that has bosses with handicaps.

Nex is Life said:

But doing "some bossing" isn't be the requirement.

Currently it is:
Nex is Life said:
reaper is only 26 out of over 40 bosses.

I would say 26/40+ is only some. 10/40+(with handicaps) is no different than 26 in terms of a req like this.

Nex is Life said:

Or by this reasoning you should only need 50 in all stats because you still have to do "some skilling"

I like how you are fighting your own logic at this point. Never have I said or used the logic as mine for only some bossing, notice how I keep quoting you on this:Nex is Life said:
having a taste of every boss
I am using your logic against you. And besides if you are talking about max stuff, you do only do some skilling, you dont require "120" in every skill, and you aren't required for 5.4b xp.
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17-Mar-2018 11:34:13 - Last edited on 17-Mar-2018 15:15:24 by Kcin

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Kcin said:
Also the fact that it is now possible to try to solo shows that people wanted the attempt. If it was only for duo min they would have made the lp damage differently.

So the "removal" of 5 bosses doesn't matter? But the removal of ~4 does? Logic.

I said it wouldn't affect the bossing req.(to make simpler for you:It still has bossing) Morvran's challenge is still there. FYI that has bosses with handicaps.

I would say 26/40+ is only some. 10/40+(with handicaps) is no different than 26 in terms of a req like this.

And besides if you are talking about max stuff, you do only do some skilling, you dont require "120" in every skill, and you aren't required for 5.2b xp.
Again proving you have no clue what you are talking about. People tried to solo already by using other players to split the entry hit then lobbying. Phase 1 is impossible solo.
How would they have "made the lp damage differently"? Capping it was logical.
Vorago isn't intended to be a solo boss, never was.

It's not about numbers. It's that they are essentially the same boss.
And as I have said three times, I think all Legios should be on there, but they aren't because they are tracked together. And they don't matter much.
Since you don't know what you are talking about, there are actually 6 group bosses.

Ok let's take off 100 quests. It still has questing, right?

It seems to me that 26>10. Handicaps? Don't make me laugh, theey are a joke especially at such low bosses as KBD/GWD1. And if you say Rax, you can kill it first without any handicap.
What about Telos? Magister? GWD2? Regardless of group bosses (which should be required) all soloable bosses should be.

No you aren't because I didn't say some bossing, I said all bosses. Again and again you run to "not literally everything is on comp".
Your 5.2b 5.4b exp example is getting a counter to max for true trim's sake. That's the equivalent to saying get max prestige in a boss killcount.
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17-Mar-2018 14:13:11

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Kcin said:
5.2b xp.
Very funny how you flame me for writing 2715 total level then post this which is even more out of date. Did nobody tell you about invention? It's a new "elite" skill that goes up to 120. It's required for comp btw.
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17-Mar-2018 14:18:58

Kcin
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Nex is Life said:
Again proving you have no clue

It has been made to the possibility of being soloed. The group minimum req being removed. So please keep telling me how I don't know what i'm talking about.

Nex is Life said:

It's that they are essentially the same boss.

Then the same can be said about all the GWD1 bosses. And with that logic QBD is the same as telos because they have phases and are solo only bosses. Also do you not know what the ~ means? it means for your education approximately meaning more or less.

Nex is Life said:

Ok let's take off 100 quests.

Why take off even more lore there is already 200+ lore pieces of content not on the cape. (and 200 is a lot more off than a mere 20ish)

Nex is Life said:

It seems to me that 26>10.

But if 26 is a taste of all bosses, why isn't 10. By your logic if 26 bosses is a taste 10 is too.

Nex is Life said:

No you aren't because I didn't say some bossing, I said all bosses.

Yeah you called doing reaper(26 bosses) a taste of all bosses.
Nex is Life said:

[in regard to reaper vs nomad's mirage] having a taste of every boss is a more fitting "completionist" requirement than a repeat of a quest fight and leaving all those stones unturned.

In that same post you stated Nex is Life said:
Also reaper is only 26 out of over 40 bosses.


So with your logic your 50 levels in all skills would be the equivalent req of reaper for comp.

BTW are you so low that you just had to do a whole separate post for flame?
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17-Mar-2018 15:29:38 - Last edited on 17-Mar-2018 15:33:47 by Kcin

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Kcin said:
It has been made to the possibility of being soloed. The group minimum req being removed. So please keep telling me how I don't know what i'm talking about.

Then the same can be said about all the GWD1 bosses. And with that logic QBD is the same as telos because they have phases and are solo only bosses. Also do you not know what the ~ means? it means for your education approximately meaning more or less.

Why take off even more lore there is already 200+ lore pieces of content not on the cape. (and 200 is a lot more off than a mere 20ish)

But if 26 is a taste of all bosses, why isn't 10. By your logic if 26 bosses is a taste 10 is too.
Yeah you called doing reaper(26 bosses) a taste of all bosses.

BTW are you so low that you just had to do a whole separate post for flame?
You don't know what you're talking about. It is impossible to solo.

Do you not know what essentially means? Legios have shared values, mechanics and graphics bar one minor graphical change and one unique mechanic each. They are the same boss in essence. But of course you put up a strawman of QBD and Telos being the same boss because you don't have an argument.
Yes, ~4 means "approximately 4 with some uncertainty". I cleared up any uncertainty you might have had.

You're right! Why take off even more requirements?

I didn't say reaper was all bosses. I said all bosses should be the requirement. Maybe you should learn to read for your education.

Character limit, also wasn't on topic.
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17-Mar-2018 15:54:35

Kcin
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Nex is Life said:
You don't know what you're talking about. It is impossible to solo.

Really cause you are the one who is confused. I am talking about how it is no longer required to be in a group to join(you can go in solo) I wonder why that was changed, maybe because people dont like group bosses as much as you say. It might be impossible to solo with what we have on this date, but who knows in the future. At one point people though gwd bosses weren't possible to solo and now we steamroll over them. People thought KK wouldn't be able to be soloed, he can get soloed. Etc. As jagex change things.

Nex is Life said:

Legios have shared values, mechanics and graphics bar one minor graphical change and one unique mechanic each.

GWD 1 generals have shared mechanics and one unique mechanic each. Same boss, different skins in your book.

Nex is Life said:

Why take off even more requirements?

unconventional, community asks for it, it doesnt make sense in the first place all things we've talked about and you haven't been able to rebute without an ad hominem.

Nex is Life said:

I didn't say reaper was all bosses

Nex is Life said:
Kcin said:
Nomad's Mirage is one example that can easily replace reaper. Morvran's challenge already covers a lot of the reaper reqs(while making them harder).

No, sorry, having a taste of every boss is a more fitting "completionist" requirement than a repeat of a quest fight and leaving all those stones unturned. Morvran's challenge is only 10 bosses, so worse than reaper.

Context is pretty clear. You are clearly talking about reaper, you state reaper gives a taste of every boss.

Nex is Life said:

Character limit, also wasn't on topic.

Yeah it wasn't on topic, it was flame. AKA didnt need to be posted at all.
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17-Mar-2018 16:30:33

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Kcin said:

Really cause you are the one who is confused. I am talking about how it is no longer required to be in a group to join(you can go in solo) I wonder why that was changed, maybe because people dont like group bosses as much as you say. It might be impossible to solo with what we have on this date

GWD 1 generals have shared mechanics and one unique mechanic each. Same boss, different skins in your book.

unconventional, community asks for it, it doesnt make sense in the first place all things we've talked about and you haven't been able to rebute without an ad hominem.

Nex is Life said:
Morvran's challenge is only 10 bosses, so worse than reaper.

Context is pretty clear. You are clearly talking about reaper, you state reaper gives a taste of every boss.

Yeah it wasn't on topic, it was flame. AKA didnt need to be posted at all.
Hmm if only you knew what you were talking about. It's not a matter of the player's power, phase 1 requires 2 people to lure the boss. If Jagex wanted Rago to be soloable they would change that. GL with that solo P5 too, it is theoretically possible however.
KK is soloable, so what do you say about leaving it and ROTS on reaper if other group bosses were taken off?
Not that Jagex changed KK to be soloable, they actually changed it to be it harder to solo. Twice.

Entirely different values (HP, armour, affinities, styles, max hits) and character models (not reskinned rofl), unique mechanics, no shared mechanics... hmm...

Not unconventional as I have already stated and since you didn't respond I assume you yield the point, I have rebutted everything you said with reason, flaming you a couple of times doesn't change that, as for "the community" asking for it please provide proof a majority of people want this.

"so worse than reaper"
Yeah, no.

Don't flame me then cry when I flame you back
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18-Mar-2018 12:19:01

Kcin
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Nex is Life said:
phase 1 requires 2

People also thought KK(green attack) required 2 people.

Nex is Life said:

Entirely different

Yet if GWD 1 bosses aren't the same, then legions aren't the same. There is as many differences between legions and between gwd1.

Nex is Life said:

Not unconventional as I have already stated

Yet you haven't actually made any points to state how they aren't unconventional besides trying to bring EoC into this which EoC can't make any point on.

Nex is Life said:

"having a taste of every boss"
Yeah, no.

Exactly

Nex is Life said:

Don't flame me

Yet I haven't.
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18-Mar-2018 14:00:05 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2018 14:01:55 by Kcin

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Kcin said:

People also thought KK(green attack) required 2 people.

Yet if GWD 1 bosses aren't the same, then legions aren't the same. There is as many differences between legions and between gwd1.

Yet you haven't actually made any points to state how they aren't unconventional besides trying to bring EoC into this which EoC can't make any point on.

Exactly
It did, the trick was to skip it by forcing a phase change. There are a couple of ways to block it solo now.
But you can't skip luring Vorago, and it is impossible to do alone because it isn't simply blocking a big melee hit.

I just listed a number of things Legios have in common that GWD1 bosses don't: Values, mechanics, models... What DO they have in common? They auto attack you? That's literally it. They all auto attack you. Just like everything else in the game.
Besides I did actually say I thought all Legios should be required - but that it's not a big deal.

Actually it can. The standards of any number of players being able to do a boss were pre-EoC standards. Now we have some group only, some solo only.
Your argument of "entering a boss isn't combat" is completely ridiculous. Entering the a combat encounter has everything to do with combat. Besides, you can enter all group bosses alone just like GWD1. So it isn't about entering the boss room anyway, it's about fighting the boss.
The biggest problem of any team size bosses is that they are very easy. If you go in a group there is 0 challenge. So there is no point PvMing with your friends, which many of us enjoy. Not that you would understand.


Nice out of context. Let's finish... Nex is Life said:
having a taste of every boss is a more fitting requirement
I didn't say reaper met this. So, for the third time: Nex is Life said:
I'm saying comp should require all bosses ... reaper is insufficient but better than nothing.
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18-Mar-2018 15:33:01 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2018 15:34:35 by Nex is Life

Kcin
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Nex is Life said:

it is impossible to do alone

Wow, where did you get a crystal ball to where you can see the future

Nex is Life said:

What DO they have in common?

They share common drops(gs blades, hilt, armour just in different skins in your terms), they all have just one special style move. In your book that is enough to count as copy paste.

Nex is Life said:

Actually it can
't

Combat has nothing to do with how you enter a boss. EG. Evolution of
COMBAT
has nothing to do with how you enter a boss. Simple as 1+1=2

Nex is Life said:

Nice out of context. Let's finish... Nex is Life said:
Kcin said:
Nomad's Mirage is one example that can easily replace reaper. Morvran's challenge already covers a lot of the reaper reqs(while making them harder).

No, sorry,
having a taste of every boss is a more fitting "completionist"
requirement than a repeat of a quest fight and leaving all those stones unturned. Morvran's challenge is only 10 bosses, so worse than
reaper
.
I didn't say reaper met this.


You sure? Re-read that highlighted part. This is your full context.

But again none of this still changes the fact that if you remove reaper from comp you still get a taste of bossing.
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18-Mar-2018 15:51:23 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2018 15:54:48 by Kcin

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