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Kcin
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Nex†is†Life said:
ignored most the things I said and instead cherry picked quotes

Actually wrong. I read everything, I respond to everything, and only trim quotes for character count and so that people know what I am referencing and not "cherry picking".

Nex†is†Life said:

Yes, the reason reaper could be removed is because Solak

Solak isn't the only reason and I stated why with a quote from the OP.

Nex†is†Life said:

As reaper is on comp currently they must believe that existing bosses, including group bosses, are a reasonable requirement.

Just because it is on comp doesn't mean they are reasonable requirements for comp, or no comp req would have been changed ever.
Livid farm, harmony moss for 2


Nex†is†Life said:

Group bosses are not unconventional

Been over this, you haven't been able to prove it wrong, using eoc isn't an example you can use to prove it wrong.

Nex†is†Life said:

bosses open to everyone

yeah except for the solo players
Ironmen
(which they had to change)
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19-Mar-2018 20:06:27 - Last edited on 19-Mar-2018 20:07:55 by Kcin

Nex†is†Life
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Kcin said:
Nex†is†Life said:
because Solak

Solak isn't the only reason and I stated why with a quote from the OP.

Just because it is on comp doesn't mean they are reasonable requirements for comp, or no comp req would have been changed ever. Livid farm, harmony moss for 2

Been over this, you haven't been able to prove it wrong, using eoc isn't an example you can use to prove it wrong.

Nex†is†Life said:

bosses open to everyone

yeah except for the solo players
Ironmen(which they had to change)
Nice taking my quotes out of context again.
Nex†is†Life said:
because Solak (and more after Solak)


The reason for those being reduced was that they were a mindless grind that took a very long time. One of each boss doesn't fit either of those categories, so livid farm/harmony pillars cannot be used as a precedent

Burden of proof lies on the accuser. That's not me. You said group bosses are uncoventional, now say why.
Pre-EoC bosses being soloable is not a reason as we are playing RS3.

And as you just said, changed IM being able to access group bosses... so they are open to everyone, right?
Besides, if you choose to play IM you are knowingly locking yourself out of a lot of content.
The reason IM weren't able to do them on release was that they could leech group (and soloable unrestricted team size) bosses for free gear and loot.
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20-Mar-2018 13:24:35 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 13:38:33 by Nex†is†Life

Kcin
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Nex†is†Life said:
Nice

Please read before you comment:
Kcin said:

Actually wrong. I read everything, I respond to everything, and only trim quotes for character count and so that people know what I am referencing and not "cherry picking".

Whether out of context or cherry picking whatever you want to call it, I don't.

Nex†is†Life said:

reduced was that they were a mindless grind

Same can be said about having to kill repeat bosses, and the leeching bosses. It just goes to show though, you can't accept when youre wrong. You just have to make an excuse(even if its poor)
Nex†is†Life said:

As reaper is on comp currently they must believe that existing bosses, ..., are a reasonable requirement.
You are clearly stating that reaper is on comp so all bosses are a reasonable requirement. So that means to you livid farm's initial points are a reasonable requirement, but you just said they aren't. Just another case of you changing what you say to try and make an excuse.


Nex†is†Life said:

Burden of proof lies on the accuser. That's not me. You said group bosses are uncoventional

I have. 16 years of bossing with ~35 all being in the same convention vs 5 years and a handful being of the unconventional.

Nex†is†Life said:

open to everyone, right?

An ironman still can't group boss with a nonironman so no. Open to everyone would mean there is no restrictions on who can do what with who. They are still ultimately locked behind groups.

Nex†is†Life said:

was that they could leech group (and soloable unrestricted team size) bosses for free gear and loot.

So what the difference between an ironman doing that and a normal account doing that for money.
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20-Mar-2018 14:31:57

Nex†is†Life
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Kcin said:
Whether out of context or cherry picking whatever you want to call it, I don't.

Same can be said about having to kill repeat bosses, and the leeching bosses.
You are clearly stating that reaper is on comp so all bosses are a reasonable requirement. So that means to you livid farm's initial points are a reasonable requirement, but you just said they aren't

I have. 16 years of bossing with ~35 all being in the same convention vs 5 years and a handful being of the unconventional.

An ironman still can't group boss with a nonironman so no. Open to everyone would mean there is no restrictions on who can do what with who. They are still ultimately locked behind groups.

So what the difference between an ironman doing that and a normal account doing that for money.
2 different things and you do both.

But you don't have to kill repeat boss, you have to kill them once. That's as reduced and easy as it gets. And in no way grinding. But sure tell me how it's the same as cutting a ~35 hour grind to (how long is livid now, 20?).

Firstly I only count 18 PvM bosses with unresricted (aside from limit of 50) group sizes, with no group mechanics. That's including both KQs and all DKs (which actually required 2+ people to get in pre-EoC).
That's excluding solo only bosses as they are also restricted team size, did not exist until 2012 and there are only 4. Unconventional, right?
Secondly, your convention is pre-EoC and therefore irrelevant now since combat and bossing have been completely overhauled.

No, open to everyone means everyone can do it. Ironmen can do group bosses, having to do them other other IM doesn't make it closed off. And if it didn't it wouldn't matter as IM choose to limit themselves.

People say letting IM boss together devalues IM status. I personally don't care.
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20-Mar-2018 15:26:39

Kcin
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Nex†is†Life said:
different things and you do both.

Okay I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Still doesn't change the fact I don't. Can you not read what I've responded with hmm?

Nex†is†Life said:

But you don't have to kill repeat boss

So I don't have to kill Arraxi twice for comp right now? But please tell me how Jagex puts what they think are reasonable comp reqs on comp cape.
They don't or no req would ever be changed


Nex†is†Life said:

with unresricted (aside from limit of 50) group sizes, with no group mechanics.

18 bosses with no group requirement to get in that can be fought solo
12 bosses that are soloable
30 bosses falls under ~35
Now lets count how many
initially
required groups
6 bosses which falls under a handful.
Yet you keep saying that soloable bosses aren't the convention in runescape.


Nex†is†Life said:

Secondly, your convention is pre-EoC

And post since mechanics to enter a room haven't changed because of combat. EoC is not a valid point. For the hundreth time
Entering a boss
has nothing to do with
combat


Nex†is†Life said:

No, open to everyone means everyone can do it.

Can ironmen raid with their friends? No
Can ironmen kill gwd1 bosses with friends? Yes
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20-Mar-2018 15:56:49

Nex†is†Life
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Kcin said:
So I don't have to kill Arraxi twice for comp right now? But please tell me how Jagex puts what they think are reasonable comp reqs on comp cape.

6 bosses which falls under a handful.
Yet you keep saying that soloable bosses aren't the convention in runescape.

And post since mechanics to enter a room haven't changed because of combat. EoC is not a valid point.
Entering a boss has nothing to do with combat

Can ironmen raid with their friends? No
You don't have to kill Rax twice for comp. And if you did... wow... twice. That's asking for a lot, isn't it?

Convention doesn't simply mean majority, and I'll say again, most of those came out pre-EoC, since EoC we have had a mix of bosses of all group sizes.

Entering a boss has a rather a lot to do with combat lol. So the physical act of opening a door or climbing a ladder or stepping on a plate isn't combat (thats you being a pedant), entering a boss encounter pertains to the fight itself.
You can enter all bosses alone anyway now (so no different from pre-EoC... except those DKs which defy your convention), so it's mechanics that make bosses group bosses, you can enter solo, you can't defeat the boss alone.

Can Ironmen complete a raid? Yes
Doesn't seem closed to me.
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20-Mar-2018 21:52:35

Kcin
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Nex†is†Life said:
You don't have to kill Rax twice for comp.

Thanks for proving my point you don't actually know about comp reqs. Because you actually do, and it proves the point of your repetitiveness should be cut down.

Nex†is†Life said:

Convention doesn't simply mean majority

It actually does "con∑ven∑tion
kənˈven(t)SH(ə)n/Submit
noun
1.
a way in which something is usually done"
Usually done means majority. Again EoC has nothing to do with
how you enter a boss.
You can teleport(using loadstones) when entering a room, means it isn't combat. How you open a door isn't combat. The requirements to enter a door doesn't have anything to do with combat.

Nex†is†Life said:

Can Ironmen complete a raid With friends? No
seems closed to me.

Fixed for ya
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20-Mar-2018 22:10:45

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EllingerMain said:
I found the survey stream the OP mentioned and had no idea there was actually an in-depth 4 min. discussion regarding "The Reaper" title being removed as a comp cape req. I assumed it was just an idea the OP came up with to remove the title, having no context that the stream actually discussed the title itself.

Now that I have bridged the two together and my confusion has cleared up, I apologize for my blunt previous posting. However, I am still confused as to why (after all this time) Jagex is just now wanting to address this problem again out of the blue?


Hey Ellinger, glad you found the stream I mentioned :D

Now I didn't make this post to get reaper removed as a comp req.
I made this post to give a better solution in case the jmods would go through with removing some boss reqs from comp anyways.

And then I asked for other ideas, better solutions, how to rework comp as a whole if needed.

I don't think it will ever be a good day when they touch the way comp works, since it has been here for so long now.
I think Reaper title is a good challenge and not impossible with the help from players and guides that are available. And I will gladly take up the challenge of future bosses, no matter if I'm gonna stop after 1 kill or keep killing it for fun and loot :D

But I'm not of the mind, that I will hate anyone that gets comp cape more easily than me. If comp has to be changed a bit, to make it easier for the jmods with future updates and what they can add to it, then we must look at it, it being my idea or moving group bosses to trim or something else entirely. Might include more than just the bossing aspect. :)

20-Mar-2018 23:51:45

Nex†is†Life
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Kcin said:
Thanks for proving my point you don't actually know about comp reqs. Because you actually do, and it proves the point of your repetitiveness should be cut down.

a way in which something is usually done"
Again EoC has nothing to do withhow you enter a boss.

Fixed for ya
Thanks for proving my point you don't actually know about comp reqs. Because you actually don't, the Morvran's challenge kill counts towards reaper, killing two spooky spooder reqs with one newspaper.
It's still hilarious how you think one TWO Rax kills is too long a grind.

It also implies an accepted agreement; consensus.
You can argue entering a combat encounter isn't related to combat at all (lol), but that has nothing to do with what sets group bosses apart from other bosses.
You can enter any of them alone, you can walk right in just like any soloable boss. It's their mechanics that make them group bosses.
But nice job ignoring half my previous post.

You don't need bold and italic and underlining and colouring all at once, it just shows you're bad at expressing yourself

They can complete a raid. Doesn't matter who with, the content is open to them.
But what would you know about completing a raid with friends?
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21-Mar-2018 00:04:50

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