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T E M P
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>>>I could never do something like Vorago or Raids which require 9 strangers and, in some cases, voice chat<<<

Same here!
Voice chat is out of the question, for myself and many others.

03-Mar-2018 21:37:17

Nex is Life
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Lord Kylle said:

Well I have heard a lot of people complain and say reaper title shouldn't be a comp req, and that's why jmods are talking about removing it, because they insist upon babying players instead of encouraging them to learn.

With the current bosses in game I do not think it is an unreasonable requirement. And I'm going to note that enrage mechanics play a big part in letting everyone have a fair chance at comp whilst keeping bosses challenging.
With group bosses, the biggest problems are unwillingness to learn and unwillingness to reach out and find people to go with. I think the skill level to either leechps or perform a simple role at any group boss is easier than solo pvm - Rax/Telos. An exception being Vorago, certainly HM Vorago, as you actually have to pay attention and do stuff. Not that it's remotely hard to no role normal rago for Reaper.

Solak, that's ifs and maybes and assuming content released by Jagex isn't a huge, underwhelming, overhyped disappointment. I expect, like all other bosses ever, Solak to be reasonable for someone without a lot of PvM experience to get a kill in, once mechanics have been worked out and strategies developed.
If Jagex really are going to make a boss that has every member team of experienced PvMers pushed to their limits, which I highly doubt, then... GG. You shouldn't be a completionist unless you do it.
If Jagex do cave in about reaper title, which they probably would, then I would hope as a bare minimum that all solo bosses including 100% enrage telos are still needed (someone suggested morvran's challenge being expanded) and that there are at least some other requirements involving existing group bosses rather than cutting them out completely of comp. Yakamaru II track is a good one.
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03-Mar-2018 21:38:59

Nex is Life
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T E M P said:
>>>I could never do something like Vorago or Raids which require 9 strangers and, in some cases, voice chat<<<

Same here!
Voice chat is out of the question, for myself and many others.

Look another dumb excuse people use.
1.) Make friends
2.) Is a brief experience on a game with 9 people you don't know that hard
3.) Some people might ask you to use voice chat, but not everybody and it not certainly not essential
4.) "Voice chat" learning a boss doesn't mean you have to talk or even own a microphone, just listen to callouts. You have sound, right?
5.) Again, you really don't need voice chat at all
6.) I leeched a level 69 through raids, so take a moment to appreciate that you are worse than that level 69. And no, they didnt pay.
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03-Mar-2018 21:48:48

Kcin
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Look another dumb excuse people use to defend reaper
Nex is Life said:

Look another dumb excuse people use.
1.) Make friends

Friends/groups of people shouldn't be required for a solo piece of content.

Nex is Life said:

2.) Is a brief experience on a game with 9 people you don't know that hard

Again group shouldn't be a req for a solo piece of content


Nex is Life said:

6.) I leeched a level 69 through raids, so take a moment to appreciate that you are worse than that level 69. And no, they didnt pay.

At the point of leeching, what is the difference between having it be a req and having leeches count. In both circumstances the player doesn't actually complete the content.
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Lord Kylle
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Nex is Life said:

Solak, that's ifs and maybes and assuming content released by Jagex isn't a huge, underwhelming, overhyped disappointment. I expect, like all other bosses ever, Solak to be reasonable for someone without a lot of PvM experience to get a kill in, once mechanics have been worked out and strategies developed.
If Jagex really are going to make a boss that has every member team of experienced PvMers pushed to their limits, which I highly doubt, then... GG. You shouldn't be a completionist unless you do it.
If Jagex do cave in about reaper title, which they probably would, then I would hope as a bare minimum that all solo bosses including 100% enrage telos are still needed (someone suggested morvran's challenge being expanded) and that there are at least some other requirements involving existing group bosses rather than cutting them out completely of comp. Yakamaru II track is a good one.


That's more like the feedback I want :D

I agree on Solak, I don't think Solak is gonna be more of a problem than other bosses, has duo mode aswell.

I 100 % agree on the expanded Movran challenge, or a new challenge from someone else, to take people around to other bosses, like gwd2 + telos and maybe a few others.
Would be a great way to keep comp difficulty up if they remove reaper title as a req.

03-Mar-2018 22:38:16

yggdrsil
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Truthfully a name to change comp cape would in most cases shut up the git -gud community but instead of a add on why not make a cape the opposite of max cape for the pvmer that hate skilling (pretty much requires a boss kill of everything with stats similer to current max cape) that when combined with the newly renamed cape becomes something more akin to the comp cape.
Option 2 instead of name change just give the give the cape effects of capes you own to max cape as well.

03-Mar-2018 23:27:28

Dilbert2001
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The music tracks are a kind of exploration requirement as you have to visit every area and try every piece of content to unlock them all


Exploration and lore fall under the MQC requirements. If there is a need for music tracks to be a part of some achievements, they should be a MQC requirement rather.

04-Mar-2018 00:23:02

Katrina
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Nex is Life said:
Lord Kylle said:

Well I have heard a lot of people complain and say reaper title shouldn't be a comp req, and that's why jmods are talking about removing it, because they insist upon babying players instead of encouraging them to learn.

With the current bosses in game I do not think it is an unreasonable requirement. And I'm going to note that enrage mechanics play a big part in letting everyone have a fair chance at comp whilst keeping bosses challenging.
With group bosses, the biggest problems are unwillingness to learn and unwillingness to reach out and find people to go with. I think the skill level to either leechps or perform a simple role at any group boss is easier than solo pvm - Rax/Telos. An exception being Vorago, certainly HM Vorago, as you actually have to pay attention and do stuff. Not that it's remotely hard to no role normal rago for Reaper.

Solak, that's ifs and maybes and assuming content released by Jagex isn't a huge, underwhelming, overhyped disappointment. I expect, like all other bosses ever, Solak to be reasonable for someone without a lot of PvM experience to get a kill in, once mechanics have been worked out and strategies developed.
If Jagex really are going to make a boss that has every member team of experienced PvMers pushed to their limits, which I highly doubt, then... GG. You shouldn't be a completionist unless you do it.
If Jagex do cave in about reaper title, which they probably would, then I would hope as a bare minimum that all solo bosses including 100% enrage telos are still needed (someone suggested morvran's challenge being expanded) and that there are at least some other requirements involving existing group bosses rather than cutting them out completely of comp. Yakamaru II track is a good one.



how about we let the comp players vote on this I mean most who want to keep reaper from what I can see are not even max never mined comp

04-Mar-2018 00:51:53

Lord Kylle
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That would certainly seem fair (easy for me as a comper to say) :D

What I have been deep sea fishing for in this thread are the opinions between "git gud, not hard to get group boss team", and "comp used to be different, comp should be soloable".

And I've seen some fair ideas. As the jmods said, the solution to the future of comp, will never satisfy everyone.

And I'm asking myself and other compers, would our opinion be 100 % the same, if I was the one who suddenly could not keep up with comp reqs anymore because of boss difficulty, increasing challenges or something. Even though we agree comp cape is about completing everything, comp already is a mixture of completing everything with some content, so we should keep it a nuanced picture, no matter if we look at making new reqs for comp, removing reqs, or setting new standards.

So comp should never be hit by easy scape, but that shouldn't keep the jmods from looking at some point of balance and making some clear in house standards for what they add as new comp reqs, and what they don't. :)

04-Mar-2018 04:17:15 - Last edited on 04-Mar-2018 04:20:56 by Lord Kylle

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