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Marty I
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I also agree with what Smasherley said above in this post but have people seriously forgotten max cape has combat stats too...yes not the best but still something ofcourse.

It changed overall from completing quests/minigame type things like mage arena and livid farm for comp to now extras of PvM content which I agree yes is fun but it finds a reason for others to bully.... there is some Pvmers who hate quests and lore but want to kill solak/telos 24/7 which there is nothing wrong with that, just need to find that balance to reward those.

29-Dec-2018 13:12:15

Nex is Life
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Marty I said:
I also agree with what Smasherley said above in this post but have people seriously forgotten max cape has combat stats too...yes not the best but still something ofcourse.

It changed overall from completing quests/minigame type things like mage arena and livid farm for comp to now extras of PvM content which I agree yes is fun but it finds a reason for others to bully.... there is some Pvmers who hate quests and lore but want to kill solak/telos 24/7 which there is nothing wrong with that, just need to find that balance to reward those.
Then neither of those groups deserve comp (only one of them is complaining btw).

Fact is you have to play every area of the game to get comp and thats how it should be.
You'll get it when you deserve it.

29-Dec-2018 13:56:11

Megycal
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I hope the rework somehow ties in to the runescore/achievements list. Perhaps have comp awarded at X amount and trim at Y, which would obviously be a higher number.

29-Dec-2018 14:23:37

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Megycal said:
I hope the rework somehow ties in to the runescore/achievements list. Perhaps have comp awarded at X amount and trim at Y, which would obviously be a higher number.


no thank you
Now what's an unfun environment when you talk to people and see nonsense being said and stuff like that

29-Dec-2018 15:30:15

Aqua Star

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Another thing they've already done, I believe, is how talking to the face in the rock or whatever it is for Vorago and simply tie unlocking respective tracks to something like that.


I don't know what that is, never heard of it.
Now what's an unfun environment when you talk to people and see nonsense being said and stuff like that

29-Dec-2018 15:32:28

Daibhi
Sep Member 2017

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Nex is Life said:
Marty I said:
I also agree with what Smasherley said above in this post but have people seriously forgotten max cape has combat stats too...yes not the best but still something ofcourse.

It changed overall from completing quests/minigame type things like mage arena and livid farm for comp to now extras of PvM content which I agree yes is fun but it finds a reason for others to bully.... there is some Pvmers who hate quests and lore but want to kill solak/telos 24/7 which there is nothing wrong with that, just need to find that balance to reward those.
Then neither of those groups deserve comp (only one of them is complaining btw).

Fact is you have to play every area of the game to get comp and thats how it should be.


Completionist means completionist, so following your logic the comp cape doesn't require you to play every area of the game thus it, again following your logic, technically speaking isn't a completionist cape as the trim comp requires further reqs which would cover the entirety of the game.

All they need to do is turn trimmed completionist into the "true comp cape" by moving boss/reaper reqs. to it and have comp cape be something that can preoccupy players who have nothing else to do in the game (it still requires effort even without them). The upside to this is it keeps existing players playing as it gives them something to do after maxing whereas once they hit that wall they'll quit and never come back.

Those who can do the boss/reaper reqs. get access to the trimmed comp and can reap the rewards from that; plus this seems to be more an egostical arguement than an actual game breaking one so the trimmed comp will satisfy such people due to being more difficult to obtain. Not to mention for the players who have already done them that means nothing really changes for them - until the next vanity project rears its head.

29-Dec-2018 17:29:59

Smasherley
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The problem I have with this is there are several updates in the past months upto and including the entire year where things that I would expect to be on comp.. Were not put on comp

Absolutely ZERO of it was put on Trimmed. Personally I would like Trim to boost the Comp capes stats and add more than just a golden trim, emote and smoke which is all it currently does but I dont mind.

When the new divination skilling method came, the Archivist title should have been put on trimmed but it wasn't. Completing the breeding log in player owned farms should be a trim requirement but it isnt... I would agree with the Elite title but I think they need to seriously fix aminishi because it is not worth doing compared to ed2. ED2 is perfect with a few glitchy flaws where ED1 is trash until the very last fight. ED2 designs itself according to group size, ED1 doesn't. There are many aspects of ED2 which are more solo friendly and with 200m Codexes..... Why would anyone ED1.. Jagex needs to add drops that make it worthwhile. Aminishi is a dungeon that requires t90+ to obtain T88 weapons.

How many times have I bug reported Astellarn the first celestial? I have forgotten. Fixing the safe spot (which I never knew about let alone used with 51 solos) was great, the mechanics should not be avoided, But in fixing that you've created issues with the wormhole doing damage sometimes when no where in its space. and in other cases the Neutron Star spawns BEFORE the wormhole. It shouldn't do that. It should spawn after.

Like with Kyle and Solak.. Your staff seem to revel in glitched content that kills players when the issue buffs the boss but you are quick enough to fix it when the player has the advantage. Kyle sat on Twitter lapping up the death counts calling his boss unbeatable when it was practically broken. He soon got off his chunky ass when a glitch allowed players to kill him. You need to change a few things your end first.

29-Dec-2018 20:01:18 - Last edited on 29-Dec-2018 21:02:07 by Smasherley

Smasherley
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The only change they need to make to be honest is trimmed.. We've done all this extra stuff for a bit of golden smoke, There is NOTHING about it that boosts our characters physically in game and I think that should change

The issues with comp have been created by Jagex. They have added pointless/useless and unneccessary things to comp to force group content which all it does is force the majority out of that elitist cesspit that wants to charge you 350m for a kill. Jagex are completely backwards if they cater to that mentality before the majority of their paying customers. They can avoid leeching at the entrance but they wont avoid the service. Putting this crap on comp creates the issue. You force people who do not endgame boss to pay those that do for the requirement. My understanding lacks in that Jagex will fail to req more appropriate things as before mentioned

Being forced to do something

If you have to question what we as completionists mean by that then it's obvious you are not comped. Or nearly so... You have much to learn of the feeling of being forced to do content with TOXIC individuals or accept defeat. Anyone that has invested so much of a chunk of their life into something just doesnt in any circumstance decide: "oh I don't want to do that so I will accept I cannot have my cape anymore." It doesn't happen. When you've invested so much of your time into being trimmed then for you maintaining it becomes a chore. Comp isn't just stats and some arrogant fashionscape.

I am PVM orientated so it doesn't really affect me but I still feel annoyed because I dislike elitism in PVM. It's a toxic community and I want to stay away from it and prefer to solo. When my proudest achievement is put infront of it.. The feeling of having to get it back takes over. Its does not make me enjoy my gaming experience knowing PVM toxicity oh to well.

Maybe one day you'll come to learn that feeling. But I doubt for a few years

29-Dec-2018 20:30:50 - Last edited on 29-Dec-2018 21:04:18 by Smasherley

Smasherley
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For one, reaper separates itself between group and solo. It has always done that. Solo reaper will always give you the monsters from Morevran's special and GW2 and telos.. It wont give you ED1/2, vorago, Solak etc. So the separation is there if you set it that way

What they should of done with Reaper is make the blue reaper title Soloable locked and provide a recoloured version to those that have the group bosses too.. Much like red and gold final boss titles. Gold being hardmode and pets obtained.

Having got the title I can say put the GROUP included title on Trimmed. That would of made sense.. But when it was actually their own words that said the red FINAL BOSS title was too good for trimmed the question began so why is any of this on comp?

Once again jagex mentality dictated the failure to put content in the places they are supposed to. Its not a comp caper's fault that jagex have chosen not to put stuff on trimmed comp but the fact they have done that begs the question why was any of this necessary?

29-Dec-2018 20:55:20 - Last edited on 29-Dec-2018 21:14:49 by Smasherley

HopelessHalo
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As an owner of completionist cape myself for the last erm... (guessing 6 to 7 years or so), the main thing that always put me off about it was forced group content.

I know this is beating a dead horse but, all group content can just be paid for with a leech service for an ungodly amount of gp. This is what the majority of people have done in the past to maintain their completionist capes. This can be verified by all of the leech services in the teamwork section on RSOF.

There is no glory, integrity, nor self accomplishment in any of that.

When Yakamura was released, that was the first and only boss I had ever paid for a leech to complete.

Since then I had maintained my completionist cape until the day Solak was released. That was the final straw. To top that off, Elite dungeons 1 & 2 were released in a short time period afterwards. Neither of them were created for solo content as they do not scale to party size.

I have been playing since the Solak release with just plain old max cape.

If this is the route Jagex plans for the future, I will have to live with max cape as I do not wish to do more forced group content. Sure I could easily pay to leach Solak, Ed1, and Ed2 to get my cape back as I have more than enough bank for it.

Then I ask myself, why would I? There is no accomplishment in doing so.

I hope Jagex makes some very informed decisions on how they sort out completionist/trimmed completionist capes. If they do not get it right, they will stand to lose a good portion of their already dwindling player base.
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29-Dec-2018 23:41:37

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