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Nex is Life
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Smasherley said:
Regardless of what opinions I have and we have collectively I think I know where this is going...

There are so many achievements that are not comp/trim or even Master quest requirements and would AT LEAST fall under the latter. Take this Benedict's world tour... I never knew about this. I check the updates weekely and I am like what is this?!?

Comp only needs to be reworked because of the useless group PVM requirements they've thrown on it.. And it ONLY lacks the relevant requirements because you haven't put the relevant requirement on the appropriate cape of the THREE.

Jagex are wholly to blame for this. Comp only needs a rework in their eyes because of their own failings in updating content to the capes properly
Comp isn't being reworked because off "useless group pvm requirements". Comp needs to be reworked because, as you identified early in your post, many things that should be on comp aren't.

Mod Breezy said things weren't being added "because of compers". The problem is people just expect to get comp instead of it being an exlusive cape for completing most of the game's content. Part of that problem is comp being a bis cape, thus people want it for the reward, not because they want to be a completionist and then cry when an update rolls round and it's gone, whether thats Menaphos or Solak.
You'll get it when you deserve it.

31-Dec-2018 19:19:59

Daibhi
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Nex is Life said:

Mod Breezy said things weren't being added "because of compers". The problem is people just expect to get comp instead of it being an exlusive cape for completing most of the game's content.

Part of that problem is comp being a bis cape, thus people want it for the reward, not because they want to be a completionist and then cry when an update rolls round and it's gone, whether thats Menaphos or Solak.


If that is where the issue lies, allow standard comp to be realistically achievable by moving reqs. that would make more sense to be on trimmed but still require effort on the players part to complete the reqs. to get standard comp that remained. Moving things about is not giving anyone the cape for free, it would still require a fair bit of effort on their part to do what would be required to get it.

In regards to the BIS, make trimmed comp BIS which means it will remain exclusive, to an extent, afterall it is the next one up, right? and make standard comp somewhat subpar in comparison stats wise. Thus those who put the effort in to get BIS gets BIS, if those who don't want to don't then they won't get it.

Personally I couldn't care less about the stats, it's more for something to do after maxing - otherwise the only option left is to quit and never return. Making standard comp more realistically achievable will keep long time players like myself around longer due to the nature of how it works when new content is added.

This will only work though if Jagex can figure out how to determine reasonable difficulty for the respective cape. Trimmed having the most difficulty, because that makes sense, and standard having less difficulty than trimmed, that does not mean it will be handing it over for free though.

31-Dec-2018 19:41:34

Smasherley
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Theyve even released tasks for the arc and not made them salty title required.

Cry after harvesting a lactarius mushroom

cook the 2 arc soups


What gives Jagex? The issue you've created is because you're not doing your job

31-Dec-2018 20:10:14

Smasherley
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no that's not the issue. You just twist everything in favour of group PVM. You aren't even comped or close or even want to by you own admissions many times when I have replied to you. You are one of the haters, one of the biggest trolls on this forum and I have no doubt the social media platforms that people like Ramen/Kyle prefer to use because they are too BONE IDLE (by their own admissions) to log into their Staff profiles on the RSOF and speak to the community properly

The requirements for trimmed especially are long winded. extremely life consuming. Castle Wars is a sub 800 HOUR requirement. So yes I will have the mentality to keep the cape ive spent YEARS in getting maintaining to soon upgrading. When stupid stuff like Solak, Content that the entire player base par a minimal 5% didn't want becomes somethign all compers have to complete to stay comped is ridiculous.

Its not about not wanting to do PVM, its not really about Reaper but the narrative of ignoring the player base that votes down any idea of fixed group bossing. Rago and AOD can be massed its not difficult at all to complete but Solak in the poll has got 3% and then 1% of the vote. Again proving it catered to the tiny proportion of the community. The elitist PVM community that wont group with you unless you pay them extortionate amounts of money.

I paid it... There are ideas that are just too aids for this broken game but as I said before the problem is not comp but their staff's inability to listen. People wanted ed1,2/3 to be solo. They were given that option with a cost. You can solo but we're still making it suitable for 3 people to complete. They ask our opinions and then they do the opposite and wonder why they get hate.

Solo shouldn't be the hardmode thought I do solo it so thats my opinion there.

They have failed to put relevant stuff on comp yes, But now their failings require the whole system to be reworked?? not at all

Breezy knows nothing

31-Dec-2018 20:28:32

Smasherley
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Group content fixed the way solak is locks me out...

I own a clan of skillers not PVM elites. So its not a case of compers getting good. When its the difficulty of Solak, fixed to 2 or 7 people. impossible to solo or mass. It locks a lot of people out of it

You either pay extortion or you accept not having your cape.

I don't like that reality. Jagex need to change what they've created there. It's awful. Its not about how good you are but who you know and how much bank you have. This is a game where you are the master of your own world. Solak takes you out of it and puts your fate in others hands. When all the PVMers had the Hall of Memories to contend with.. they knew how we felt a bit. But they can go back to it.. We are locked out of Solak because that community kicks you out if they dont know you or you have no kills already. Its not the same thing.

Jagex got it right with araxxi. You fight it on your own strengths and merits. the option to duo is there but it is more challenging. For some moronic reason it is now harder to solo and easier to team. To force grouping to boss to be the norm but this game just doesnt operate like that. It's not WOW and they are failing big time by doing it.

Everyone I know that can boss looks at solak and is like .... Nah,

31-Dec-2018 20:39:11 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2018 20:57:46 by Smasherley

Nex is Life
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Daibhi said:
If that is where the issue lies, allow standard comp to be realistically achievable by moving reqs. that would make more sense to be on trimmed but still require effort on the players part to complete the reqs. to get standard comp that remained. Moving things about is not giving anyone the cape for free, it would still require a fair bit of effort on their part to do what would be required to get it.
You're still asking to have it easy. Fortunately, Jagex are doing the opposite.

Their intention is to add more capes/goals before comp, while adding more requirements to comp
Tentative proposal for feedback and discussion:
- We add more capes which are more accessible than comp (but still harder than e.g. max cape) which have BIS stats and benefits (for example, "PVM cape" )
- Because comp is no longer held back by people who only want the BIS stats/benefits comp (and trim) are then free to have more requirements added, perhaps immediately or over time
- "More capes" includes both other categories of cape (e.g. quest cape, pvm cape, skilling/grinding cape, minigame cape, achievement cape) but also easier categories of the same cape (e.g. 50QP cape, 100QP cape, 200QP cape, etc) which can have lower stats
- Possibly add extra tiers of cape, e.g. comp, trim, true trim where "true" has "insane" reqs which are not achievable by most players
- Possibly move some cape utility (e.g. ava's) into its own reward (e.g. ava's just works if you have it unlocked) rather than having it all tied to specific capes
You'll get it when you deserve it.

31-Dec-2018 21:23:58

Nex is Life
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Smasherley said:
no that's not the issue. You just twist everything in favour of group PVM. You aren't even comped or close or even want
I want to comp and have just two requirements left - 120 slayer and DG. Inb4 its reworked before I finish

Which makes me closer than you will ever be since you will never kill Solak because you have an IQ of 12. Smasherley said:
Group content fixed the way solak is locks me out...

I own a clan of skillers not PVM elites. So its not a case of compers getting good. When its the difficulty of Solak, fixed to 2 or 7 people. impossible to solo or mass. It locks a lot of people out of it

You either pay extortion or you accept not having your cape.

I don't like that reality. Jagex need to change what they've created there. It's awful. Its not about how good you are but who you know and how much bank you have. This is a game where you are the master of your own world. Solak takes you out of it and puts your fate in others hands. When all the PVMers had the Hall of Memories to contend with.. they knew how we felt a bit. But they can go back to it.. We are locked out of Solak because that community kicks you out if they dont know you or you have no kills already. Its not the same thing.
Thing about comp is that its not for skillers or PvMers, it's for completionists who do both and more.
You'll get it when you deserve it.

31-Dec-2018 21:29:14

Daibhi
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Nex is Life said:
You're still asking to have it easy. Fortunately, Jagex are doing the opposite.

Their intention is to add more capes/goals before comp, while adding more requirements to comp
Tentative proposal for feedback and discussion:
- We add more capes which are more accessible than comp (but still harder than e.g. max cape) which have BIS stats and benefits (for example, "PVM cape" )
- Because comp is no longer held back by people who only want the BIS stats/benefits comp (and trim) are then free to have more requirements added, perhaps immediately or over time
- "More capes" includes both other categories of cape (e.g. quest cape, pvm cape, skilling/grinding cape, minigame cape, achievement cape) but also easier categories of the same cape (e.g. 50QP cape, 100QP cape, 200QP cape, etc) which can have lower stats
- Possibly add extra tiers of cape, e.g. comp, trim, true trim where "true" has "insane" reqs which are not achievable by most players
- Possibly move some cape utility (e.g. ava's) into its own reward (e.g. ava's just works if you have it unlocked) rather than having it all tied to specific capes


I'm not. You're making the same mistake Jagex does when it comes to quests where they think difficulty automatically means PVM or combat is needed - that isn't the case at all.

Yes, PVM/bossing adds a very specific layer of difficulty, that's undeniable but it doesn't need to be the ultimate decider in worthiness of owning a completionist cape. As it stands, the only thing that stops the majority is the bossing aspect which, in a way, makes it that ultimate decider.

What you listed (I assume from reddit?) actually sounds fine, if that is what they intend or are considering to do. Especially the tiered system, that's almost the perfect compromise for the entire community as it makes the base cape more accessible and would reward those who truely complete everything.

31-Dec-2018 22:02:05

Nex is Life
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Daibhi said:
I'm not. You're making the same mistake Jagex does when it comes to quests where they think difficulty automatically means PVM or combat is needed - that isn't the case at all.
You're asking for requirements to be "moved" meaning removed, thus devaluing comp.

PvM is needed, not from the difficulty it adds, but because you can't call yourself a completionist if you completely avoid some areas of the game. It is the only requirement that requires any amount of actual skill (heaven forbid), but that doesn't mean offer requirements are not difficult, the long list of requirements take thousands of hours which isn't easy, having that much patience isn't easy.

That info came from Mod Breezy, bear in mind it's a preliminary list, but I am fairly sure the core parts will become reality.
You'll get it when you deserve it.

31-Dec-2018 23:55:08 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2018 23:55:46 by Nex is Life

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