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Kcin
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Nex is Life said:
Kcin said:
If they can do it to livid farm they sure as hell can do it to reaper.
You know livid wasn't actually removed, right?


And again bossing won't be removed.

Nex is Life said:
Telos would be, not like ur cutting 1000 kill grind down to 600 more like 1 down to 0 which is removing.

That is one boss that would be lost, but if you can do arraxor there is high chance you can do telos so what does it matter anyway. You are cutting the number of bosses down, so yes it is like cutting x amount down to y amount. which is not removing.

As stated previously, you aren't actually showing anything for 1 kill, for all we know it could be a lucky run, a leech, hell even a kill when you died. The reaper is a pointless req when it nearly is already pointless and just causes problems and frustration in the comp cape owners.

BTdubs what ever happened to this:
Nex is Life said:

I feel it would be fair to let people who have earned their comp capes have the final say into whether it is devalued or not.

The comp cape owners have had their say and yet you are still arguing against that.
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24-Apr-2018 23:53:09 - Last edited on 25-Apr-2018 01:30:21 by Kcin

Nex is Life
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Kcin said:
Nex is Life said:
Kcin said:
If they can do it to livid farm they sure as hell can do it to reaper.
You know livid wasn't actually removed, right?


And again bossing won't be removed.
Telos would be, not like ur cutting 1000 kill grind down to 600 more like 1 down to 0 which is removing.
You'll get it when you deserve it.

25-Apr-2018 00:48:29

SandyHorizon
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Kcin said:

- The reaper is a pointless req when it nearly is already pointless and just causes problems and frustration in the comp cape owners.

Pointless or not, I'm a comp owner and didn't find the requirement frustrating at all. As someone who is not good at bossing, I was thankful it wasn't that hard considering all the other requirements. I am happy the current bossing requirements aren't even harder.

Kcin said:
The comp cape owners have had their say and yet you are still arguing against that.

You're arguing in favor of removing the group boss requirements, which is fine. You're also saying that "comp cape owners" have had their say and that they side with you, which is not fine. In this thread alone, myself and other comp owners have stated we are either indifferent and/or in favor of leaving comp cape as is and you refuse to accept it. You don't speak for me, nor do other comp owners speak for me. The comp cape has consistently inconsistent requirements, it is what it is. I agree with those who said it shouldn't have been called comp in the first place. We all know it's nowhere near completing the entire game, but it does require a lot of major content to be ticked off either by grinding or simply showing up.

The only results I've seen, hell, can even find, are on youtube, and it was results from the web poll, not in game poll. The poll didn't seem very scientific or even consistent. The poll was answered by very few actual comp owners; Livid Farm beat out Reaper for most frustrating comp requirements, yet Reaper also made the top 10 of most enjoyable achievements. The mods said they're only "looking" into it and that it doesn't mean any changes are coming.

Numerous Reddit posts about this topic exist and, just like here, there isn't a majority one way or the other. So if anything, please stop making claims that can't be proven.

25-Apr-2018 09:06:10

Kcin
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SandyHorizon said:

I'm a comp owner and didn't find the requirement frustrating at all.

Congrats you are in the minority. But you are happy the current bossing aren't hard and thats why? Well GL in the future when they get ridiculously hard like they want to make them.

SandyHorizon said:
which is not fine.

I"m sorry, Jagex statistics saying what the majority is outweigh the vocal minority.
See page 34 post 10 the edit part specifically(would quote but not enough characters)
SandyHorizon said:

You don't speak for me, nor do other comp owners speak for me.

Yeah I don't, but you are in the minority you don't speak for the majority the stats do speak for both and says that people want it changed.

SandyHorizon said:
but it does require a lot of major content .

More like a handful.


SandyHorizon said:
it was results from the web poll, not in game poll. The poll didn't seem very scientific

A poll is a poll and any poll you send out to people to fill out is scientific (social science) maybe you should look into that stuff before you call it unscientific.
I'll make it clear how to read statistics for you.
Also like you even acknowledge, Reaper is the 2nd most frustrating comp requirement(behind livid farm) both are ahead of 3rd by a good margin unlike the rest compared to each other on the list.
How ever on the enjoyable the minority speak and it shows up, not nearly as large of a peak as on the frustrating by not nearly as large or significant peak to the others behind it.

In short, minority still gets its say, clearly its still not as big as the majority.
Either people love it or hate it and the majority hate it

SandyHorizon said:

majority one way or the other.

Girl do you even know what statistics are? Just cause you are in the minority doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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25-Apr-2018 13:51:50 - Last edited on 25-Apr-2018 14:53:14 by Kcin

T Olvana
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Kcin, you refer a lot to the statistics. I must say that you have made some mistakes in that.

First of all, even though a poll results are that most of the comp cape owners are not happy with the reaper requirement, it doesn't mean that reaper should be removed from requirements. The poll just shows people's opinions. Of course, from a business view it is beneficial for Jagex to listen to the players, but peoples opinions don't make things automaticly true.

Second, it may be worth checking how may comp cape owners actually answered to that poll. If there are many that did not answer, your poll speaks for the minority and is not necessarily very trustworthy.

Third, a poll is not necessarily scientific. There are certain criteria for scientific studies and interpreting their results.

By the way, have you heard this saying: a lie, a bigger lie, statistics? (or something like that)

Finally, my opinion on this. What would you say if there was a solo completionist cape, which would require all soloable content in the game? Then there would be another comp cape that would have all the group content as requirement (on top of the solo content). And these capes would really have all the game content in their requirements. If not, change their name to something else. I think someone proposed something like "Adventurer's cape".

25-Apr-2018 15:38:12

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T Olvana said:
Kcin, you refer a lot to the statistics. I must say that you have made some mistakes in that.

First of all, even though a poll results are that most of the comp cape owners are not happy with the reaper requirement, it doesn't mean that reaper should be removed from requirements. The poll just shows people's opinions. Of course, from a business view it is beneficial for Jagex to listen to the players, but peoples opinions don't make things automaticly true.

Second, it may be worth checking how may comp cape owners actually answered to that poll. If there are many that did not answer, your poll speaks for the minority and is not necessarily very trustworthy.

Third, a poll is not necessarily scientific. There are certain criteria for scientific studies and interpreting their results.

By the way, have you heard this saying: a lie, a bigger lie, statistics? (or something like that)

Finally, my opinion on this. What would you say if there was a solo completionist cape, which would require all soloable content in the game? Then there would be another comp cape that would have all the group content as requirement (on top of the solo content). And these capes would really have all the game content in their requirements. If not, change their name to something else. I think someone proposed something like "Adventurer's cape".


One would obviously say "how about make reaper and music trim reqs and done", and then we can lock this thread and move on with our lives.

25-Apr-2018 15:50:44

T Olvana
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Lush Snow said:


One would obviously say "how about make reaper and music trim reqs and done", and then we can lock this thread and move on with our lives.


Yeah, suppose that works as well. However, why do you come here if you don't like the discussion?

25-Apr-2018 16:16:23

Lush Snow

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T Olvana said:
Lush Snow said:


One would obviously say "how about make reaper and music trim reqs and done", and then we can lock this thread and move on with our lives.


Yeah, suppose that works as well. However, why do you come here if you don't like the discussion?


Because reaper and music happen to be the things I haven't done, and I was recently bitten which may result in my death. Would like some closure here.

25-Apr-2018 16:25:26

Kcin
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T Olvana said:
it doesn't mean that reaper should be removed from requirements. The poll just shows people's opinions. Of course, from a business view it is beneficial for Jagex to listen to the players, but peoples opinions don't make things automaticly true.

I would agree with that if it was only the frustration question that was on there, but since there was another question that specifically asked "which of the following changes to the Reaper title do you prefer?" and the answer to that question was the majority(again) wanted a change of some sort. Following the ordeals with Livid farm and Harmony moss you can follow a trend and Jagex should listen to their players. Listening to people's opinion is what makes the game better. So yes the poll and all the statistics that go with does mean something should be done to reaper.
Look at EoC's implementation and the original SoF and think about how those could have been



T Olvana said:

it may be worth checking how may comp cape owners actually answered to that poll.

On just the Reaper title question I referred to ~32 thousand (estimate as exact numbers aren't given) people answered it, I don't know how many people have comp cape overall( I can't find any stats). Either way 32k people is a significant amount that shows the population trends in RS.

T Olvana said:

Third, a poll is not necessarily scientific.

"What is a scientific sample?

A scientific sample is a process in which the respondents are chosen randomly by one of several methods. The key component in the scientific sample is that everyone within the designated group (sample frame) has a chance of being selected."
Jagex did not pull specific people to answer the question they had it open for the RS community(it wouldn't make sense for non rs players to vote obviously) everyone had a chance of voting in it.
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25-Apr-2018 18:31:41 - Last edited on 25-Apr-2018 18:36:43 by Kcin

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