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Doorknob747

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Blackwing said:
Draco Burnz said:
Blackwing said:
Since Jagex is apparently a member of the "Fair Play Alliance", which allegedly doesn't tolerate cheating in video games, it's even more imperative now to get rid of Treasure Hunter, which is exactly that: cheating with your real life wallet! > )


TFW th isnt "cheating".

Definition of "cheat":

cheatDictionary result for cheat
/CHēt/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: cheating
1.
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
"she always cheats at cards"
2.
avoid (something undesirable) by luck or skill.
"she cheated death in a spectacular crash"

And? How does you digging up the definition of "cheat" prove that?


Fine @Blackbird, I am going to help you here somewhat in this dilemma of yours where people are disagree with your statements.

Here are proofs, OH AND THEY ARE JOURNAL ARTICLES (Journal articles, as in the ones used in college reports for the references in bibliographies) :

http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?pid=diva2%3A1278647&dswid=2809



https://pure.itu.dk/portal/files/83333144/DIGRA_2018_Are_loot_boxes_gambling_pre_print_21.05.2018.pdf


https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1461444818786216

^^^^THE BIG ONE THAT SAYS LOOT BOXES LEAD TO REAL LIFE GAMBLING PROBLEMS!!!^^


https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/glr2.2018.2216



https://psyarxiv.com/6e74k/


^^^investigation WHERE THEY TRY TO LINK LOOTBOXES TO PROBLEMATIC GAMBLING^^^

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-018-0369-5
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12-Feb-2019 22:12:52 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2019 22:15:45 by Doorknob747

Blackwing
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I appreciate help of course, but Treasure Hunter being cheating and gambling are separate matters, so I'm not sure why you quoted the cheating discussion with gambling discussion.

But anyway, yeah, Treasure Hunter is gambling, and you don't even need to go out of your way to prove that, since the basic definition of gambling already proves it: to gamble is to take a risky action in the hope of a desired result. In Treasure Hunter's case, this translates into spending keys for a random chance (risky action) to hopefully get whatever prize you're after (desired result).

Sometimes people argue that real money has to be risked for the hope of getting even more real money in return for something to count as gambling, but that's just one type of gambling, and the type of gambling that's regulated; gambling in the form of Treasure Hunter hasn't been regulated yet, due to the laws not catching up with the times. Given how predatory game developers have made it, that's bound to change eventually.
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12-Feb-2019 23:49:17

Doorknob747

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Blackwing said:
I appreciate help of course, but Treasure Hunter being cheating and gambling are separate matters, so I'm not sure why you quoted the cheating discussion with gambling discussion.

But anyway, yeah, Treasure Hunter is gambling, and you don't even need to go out of your way to prove that, since the basic definition of gambling already proves it: to gamble is to take a risky action in the hope of a desired result. In Treasure Hunter's case, this translates into spending keys for a random chance (risky action) to hopefully get whatever prize you're after (desired result).

Sometimes people argue that real money has to be risked for the hope of getting even more real money in return for something to count as gambling, but that's just one type of gambling, and the type of gambling that's regulated; gambling in the form of Treasure Hunter hasn't been regulated yet, due to the laws not catching up with the times. Given how predatory game developers have made it, that's bound to change eventually.


Isn't in game gambling against the rules of Jagex?
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12-Feb-2019 23:59:54

Doorknob747

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Blackwing said:
I appreciate help of course, but Treasure Hunter being cheating and gambling are separate matters, so I'm not sure why you quoted the cheating discussion with gambling discussion.


Oh wait... I got mixed up with your issue and another issue that was related to gambling on that same thread.
Dilbert2001 said:
Nex is Life said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Whats nonsense is your suggestion that being a member of an organisation which does not enforce (or even have) rules or regulations can magically mean there is no cheating in any of their games. And paying to win is cheating.
Anyone can be a member of an "alliance" that declares they are against cheating, but that translating into reality is a different matter.


Don't change the topic. Your nonsense on your last post was:

"The Fair Play Alliance doesn't have anything to do with MTX, gambling regulations or game integrity being compromised through pay-to-win. You would know this if you could be bothered to read their mission statement."


Now knowing it was the other user who tried to link all these nonsense to Fair Play Alliance but not me, you tried to deflect it to more nonsense.

For the record, you already wrote clearly FPA doesn't have anything to do with MTX, blah blah blah, why are you still complaining about MTX and pay to win. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

^issue^
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Dan Ace114
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Blackwing said:
I appreciate help of course, but Treasure Hunter being cheating and gambling are separate matters, so I'm not sure why you quoted the cheating discussion with gambling discussion.

But anyway, yeah, Treasure Hunter is gambling, and you don't even need to go out of your way to prove that, since the basic definition of gambling already proves it: to gamble is to take a risky action in the hope of a desired result. In Treasure Hunter's case, this translates into spending keys for a random chance (risky action) to hopefully get whatever prize you're after (desired result).

Sometimes people argue that real money has to be risked for the hope of getting even more real money in return for something to count as gambling, but that's just one type of gambling, and the type of gambling that's regulated; gambling in the form of Treasure Hunter hasn't been regulated yet, due to the laws not catching up with the times. Given how predatory game developers have made it, that's bound to change eventually.


Thats a wide definition. If thats the case then PvM and PvP must also be a type of gabling.

13-Feb-2019 08:30:11

Blackwing
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Doorknob747 said:
Isn't in game gambling against the rules of Jagex?

Right, and even advertising gambling in-game that's not related to Runescape is bannable (as a certain OSRS Youtuber found out the hard way), while gambling offered by Jagex is perfectly fine by them, even though their gambling service isn't any better than the services they seek to discourage. Essentially Jagex's stance is "do as we say, not as we act" when it comes to gambling rules.


Dan Ace114 said:
Thats a wide definition. If thats the case then PvM and PvP must also be a type of gabling.

That's a wide generalization, but yeah, there are other forms of gambling in the game as well, but Treasure Hunter differs from them by trying to manipulate you into spending as much extra cash as possible into its gambling system, by offering the lucrative exp rates for a nonstop extra cost, as well as hooking you into getting the super rare prizes via sunk cost fallacy ("I already spent X dollars to try and win Y super rare prize, so if I don't keep spending more, I spent those dollars for nothing").

In comparison to e.g. a rare boss drop, Jagex only gets membership subscription money from you, so their goal is to design the game to be as fun as possible, in order for them to keep getting more subscription money from you in the future.
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13-Feb-2019 10:00:07

Dilbert2001
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"Gambling" is very different from illegal gambling.

You are certainly GAMBLING when you try to use your BA points to get a random prize. Jagex explicitly used the word GAMBLE there too. But it is not illegal gambling and has absolutely nothing to do with TH or MTX.

Duel Arena staking is GAMBLING and can be considered ILLEGAL GAMBLING by certain governments if Jagex do not stop players/3rd party gambling sites for exploiting it too.

Re-rolling clue scrolls, raid rewards, etc are always gambling to some people, but not illegal gambling to any real world governments. Likewise, you can tell yourself TH is gambling but shrug... it is not illegal gambling at all to any governments of the real world. :D

13-Feb-2019 16:25:57

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