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Dilbert2001
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Activision Blizzard said it is not gambling.

That's why they just announced today they are putting brand new loot boxes they called Cases to CoD: Black Ops 4.

Don't agree with their definition? Shrug! Just don't buy loot boxes cases then. :D:D:D

19-Feb-2019 17:22:17

Doorknob747

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DavidáJames said:
Imo yes, as gambling is commonly referred to as spending money to have a chance of getting what you want in return, not guaranteed.

There's a difference between spending money and guarantee getting X which is what you want, and spending money to have a chance to get either A, B, C, D, E... etc when all you really want is X.

Spending real money to only have a chance of getting what you want is gambling to me. With membership you pay and get directly what you want (membership) so that argument is invalid. Think of the keys as casino chips. You're not buying to get what you want as what you want is not the chips, but what the chips can win.

If the paying for keys is getting what you want and not gambling, then most casinos don't offer gambling besides currency-accepting slot machines, they just buy/sell/trade pieces of plastic (or metal if you're using the metal coin tokens).


Whilst dueling and PK'ing could technically be argued as gambling, there's no actual real money gained/lost so nobody cares. It's only when real money is involved that it becomes an issue.

Most of it is the allowance of underage people participating in something that is identical in mechanics to gambling whilst spending real money. Gambling is a very addictive activity and society has declared an age limit to participate in such activities due to how impressionable younger people are, potentially ruining their lives forever.

It's similar to vaping in a sense, marketed as "safer and not actually smoking" whilst coming in a variety of child-pleasing flavors yet still developing the same addictive tenancies as actually smoking.

Swap smoking/vaping with gambling/lootboxes and it's the same basic issue; just because it looks different doesn't mean it's not intended to actually do the same thing; getting people hooked on it to spend more money whilst simultaneously claiming "i

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20-Feb-2019 00:22:03

Doorknob747

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Agreed. Exactly to my point. It is getting younger people that lie about their age when creating an account, addicted to gambling from playing TH.

UrekMazino said:
Paying for membership doesn't directly give you the loot or clue reward, whereas buying keys directly leads to opening TH chests, no extra steps in between. I've already told you this many times before, why do you conveniently forget about it? So that we can go through the same conversation again and again to inflate your post count?


Agreed, that was my point. TH involves real life money.

Dilbert2001 said:
Activision Blizzard said it is not gambling.


What if they knew it was gambling???? They can't say its gambling, otherwise they would loose money that greedily need.
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20-Feb-2019 00:22:10 - Last edited on 20-Feb-2019 00:23:03 by Doorknob747

DavidáJames

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Dilbert2001 said:
Activision Blizzard said it is not gambling.

That's why they just announced today they are putting brand new loot boxes they called Cases to CoD: Black Ops 4.

Don't agree with their definition? Shrug! Just don't buy loot boxes cases then. :D:D:D



Of course they're gonna claim their game doesn't provide gambling, if they did that would mean they'd have to prove all players are of legal gambling age (which they can't do), plus pay additional taxes, plus any underage players that purchase said lootboxes would result in criminal charges against the company for soliciting underage gambling.


I'm sure many casino's would also love to claim their lootboxes games of chance are not gambling too, that doesn't mean they aren't.


Personally curious I asked several people today (IRL) this question without mentioning lootboxes at all:


What would you call purchasing an item, token, or whatever; that is then used or directly gives a chance of getting what you want whilst also having the chance of getting what you don't want?


Albeit I've only asked about 7-8 people so far, but every single one of them said "
Gambling
". The longest response was about 10 seconds, cuz I had to repeat the question. Otherwise it was a quick (less than 2 seconds) response because it's pretty obvious to the average person.


Ask the above question and see your responses to determine if it should be classified as gambling or not.

If they don't consider it gambling then casinos (Real or online) also don't offer gambling and everyone should be allowed to play regardless of age because that's exactly what they do; sell you "chips" that are then used to have a chance of getting what you want whilst also having a chance of not getting what you want.

20-Feb-2019 01:24:32 - Last edited on 20-Feb-2019 01:25:03 by DavidáJames

Dilbert2001
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DavidáJames said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Activision Blizzard said it is not gambling.

That's why they just announced today they are putting brand new loot boxes they called Cases to CoD: Black Ops 4.

Don't agree with their definition? Shrug! Just don't buy loot boxes cases then. :D:D:D


Ask the above question and see your responses to determine if it should be classified as gambling or not.



Ask
who
? Different people have different answers.

If you think something is "gambling" and you don't like it, don't do it.

If you think re-rolling clue scroll is gambling and you don't like it, just don't do it.

If you think staking in Duel Arena is gambling and you don't like it, just don't do it.

Let's the ones who like the activities do it. :D

20-Feb-2019 01:53:05

Dilbert2001
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Doorknob747 said:
Agreed. Exactly to my point. It is getting younger people that lie about their age when creating an account, addicted to gambling from playing TH.

UrekMazino said:
Paying for membership doesn't directly give you the loot or clue reward, whereas buying keys directly leads to opening TH chests, no extra steps in between. I've already told you this many times before, why do you conveniently forget about it? So that we can go through the same conversation again and again to inflate your post count?


Agreed, that was my point. TH involves real life money.

Dilbert2001 said:
Activision Blizzard said it is not gambling.


What if they knew it was gambling???? They can't say its gambling, otherwise they would loose money that greedily need.


Jagex already said buying BA random reward is "GAMBLING". The in game NPC said it.

So what? People still GAMBLE with BA points. Shrug! :D:D:D

20-Feb-2019 02:05:57

DavidáJames

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Dilbert2001 said:
DavidáJames said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Activision Blizzard said it is not gambling.

That's why they just announced today they are putting brand new loot boxes they called Cases to CoD: Black Ops 4.

Don't agree with their definition? Shrug! Just don't buy loot boxes cases then. :D:D:D


Ask the above question and see your responses to determine if it should be classified as gambling or not.



Ask
who
? Different people have different answers.

If you think something is "gambling" and you don't like it, don't do it.

If you think re-rolling clue scroll is gambling and you don't like it, just don't do it.

If you think staking in Duel Arena is gambling and you don't like it, just don't do it.

Let's the ones who like the activities do it. :D


Asking random people, as most laws are created due to society feedback and people attempting to exploit loopholes, hence the push from society for this system to become regulated.

You're also comparing non-real money activities to a real-money activity, so all of your examples are invalid.

Try again please.

20-Feb-2019 04:39:11 - Last edited on 20-Feb-2019 04:44:31 by DavidáJames

Doorknob747

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Dilbert2001 said:
Doorknob747 said:
Agreed. Exactly to my point. It is getting younger people that lie about their age when creating an account, addicted to gambling from playing TH.

UrekMazino said:
Paying for membership doesn't directly give you the loot or clue reward, whereas buying keys directly leads to opening TH chests, no extra steps in between. I've already told you this many times before, why do you conveniently forget about it? So that we can go through the same conversation again and again to inflate your post count?


Agreed, that was my point. TH involves real life money.

Dilbert2001 said:
Activision Blizzard said it is not gambling.


What if they knew it was gambling???? They can't say its gambling, otherwise they would loose money that greedily need.


Jagex already said buying BA random reward is "GAMBLING". The in game NPC said it.

So what? People still GAMBLE with BA points. Shrug! :D:D:D



So Jagex stated that TH is gambling. Jagex also admitted that they know there are those who play the game that are under 18. Thus.... Jagex admitted that they are letting minors(those under the age of 18) gamble. I wounder how legal that is on the internet?
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20-Feb-2019 05:04:05

UrekMazino
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Dilbert2001 said:
Doorknob747 said:
Agreed. Exactly to my point. It is getting younger people that lie about their age when creating an account, addicted to gambling from playing TH.

UrekMazino said:
Paying for membership doesn't directly give you the loot or clue reward, whereas buying keys directly leads to opening TH chests, no extra steps in between. I've already told you this many times before, why do you conveniently forget about it? So that we can go through the same conversation again and again to inflate your post count?


Agreed, that was my point. TH involves real life money.

Dilbert2001 said:
Activision Blizzard said it is not gambling.


What if they knew it was gambling???? They can't say its gambling, otherwise they would loose money that greedily need.


Jagex already said buying BA random reward is "GAMBLING". The in game NPC said it.

So what? People still GAMBLE with BA points. Shrug! :D:D:D

But are you spending real money per gamble or BA points?
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