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Matmano9
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Do you feel the introduction of MTX was good or bad? Do you feel Jagex's current MTX promotions are helping the game or ruining it?

This thread is to discuss MTX in a debating way, not to flame Jagex or users for using or partaking in MTX. Please keep posts polite and constructive


For those who do not know what MTX is. It is microtransactions. For example, buying Runecoins, Treasure Hunter Keys, Bonds. Any officially sold in-game items or cosmetics come under MTX.
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Personally my attitide is pro-MTX.

I feel MTX has provided the game a new way to be enjoyed. People who work 40+ hour weeks and have families are still able to have a similar level of progression as someone who plays 10 hours a day. They lose the enjoyability in a sense, but some people enjoy fast tracking a game.

I feel the term "Pay to win" cannot apply to Runescape considering, especially in RS3, PVP is a small aspect of the game. Paying to win suggests that you are winning if you pay, which in my eyes is not possible in Runescape. Even the highscores nowdays has 1,000+ users at each 200M xp, meaning that even "winning" a high spot on the highscores is not possible anymore.

MTX has allowed Jagex to allow users from around the world to enjoy the game without paying, whilst others who are willing to pay more can financially support the game a bit more. As a supporter of Runescape I feel that MTX is a key aspect of modern day Runescape, and without it I feel the game would have died by now, or in the next few years due to lack of funding, which would result in less updates.
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Draco Burnz
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Do you feel the introduction of MTX was good or bad? Do you feel Jagex's current MTX promotions are helping the game or ruining it?



They are helping the game IMO.
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27-May-2019 20:18:33

Blackwing
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Do you feel the introduction of MTX was good or bad? Do you feel Jagex's current MTX promotions are helping the game or ruining it?

MTX ruined the point of training skills, both for hiscores and otherwise; when the meta of training the skills is to either unload your wallet at the game or to PvM for cash which you then spend on bonds to buy keys, why would you bother grinding with actual methods?

For example, agility, my favorite skill in RS3, was completely ruined by MTX: you no longer have reason to run courses, instead you're better off buying lamps or using silverhawk boots. Getting a high agility level/exp was actually prestigious, even when the top ranks in hiscores were already taken. It also made using agility shortcuts as an exclusive reward pointless, since so many people now have 99 or higher agility that it's not exclusive anymore.


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I feel MTX has provided the game a new way to be enjoyed. People who work 40+ hour weeks and have families are still able to have a similar level of progression as someone who plays 10 hours a day. They lose the enjoyability in a sense, but some people enjoy fast tracking a game.

This is the illusion that some people fall for, that the MTX is "helping the busy players", when on the contrary, it just rips them off their hard-earned real money. Let's imagine the following scenario, shall we: vast majority (75%+) of the playerbase are adults with day jobs and families to care for. If the game did NOT feature any MTX, and instead only had the membership fee, then in order for Jagex to keep going by getting the membership money from those players, they'd have to make content that is fun even for an adult like that, which would be there without the MTX paywall.

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27-May-2019 20:53:13

Blackwing
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Instead, because people actually fall for that excuse, Jagex intentionally designs the content to be too boring for a casual player like that, so that they're psychologically forced to buy the MTX to have an enjoyable experience. Like I always say, Jagex is a business and not a charity; in order for a business to sell MTX, it has to design it so that the base experience is less fun than the MTX.


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I feel the term "Pay to win" cannot apply to Runescape considering, especially in RS3, PVP is a small aspect of the game. Paying to win suggests that you are winning if you pay, which in my eyes is not possible in Runescape. Even the highscores nowdays has 1,000+ users at each 200M xp, meaning that even "winning" a high spot on the highscores is not possible anymore.

It doesn't matter how many players are already at 200m exp on hiscores: MTX can be used to win against a player who doesn't buy the MTX for a higher rank in the hiscores. That's a fact that will never change, no matter how many people reach 200m exp in a skill or all skills. Treasure Hunter is P2W, always has been and if exp continues to be sold at higher exp rates than regular gameplay (which if not done so, makes it pointless, so it's not happening as long as it exists).


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MTX has allowed Jagex to allow users from around the world to enjoy the game without paying, whilst others who are willing to pay more can financially support the game a bit more. As a supporter of Runescape I feel that MTX is a key aspect of modern day Runescape, and without it I feel the game would have died by now, or in the next few years due to lack of funding, which would result in less updates.

Only bonds have allowed users to play without using their own real money; keys and runecoins have added nothing to it. Regarding sustainability, Jagex's own financial documents prove that they don't need MTX.
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27-May-2019 20:53:17

Draco Burnz
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Personally my attitide is pro-MTX.

I feel MTX has provided the game a new way to be enjoyed. People who work 40+ hour weeks and have families are still able to have a similar level of progression as someone who plays 10 hours a day. They lose the enjoyability in a sense, but some people enjoy fast tracking a game.

I feel the term "Pay to win" cannot apply to Runescape considering, especially in RS3, PVP is a small aspect of the game. Paying to win suggests that you are winning if you pay, which in my eyes is not possible in Runescape. Even the highscores nowdays has 1,000+ users at each 200M xp, meaning that even "winning" a high spot on the highscores is not possible anymore.

MTX has allowed Jagex to allow users from around the world to enjoy the game without paying, whilst others who are willing to pay more can financially support the game a bit more. As a supporter of Runescape I feel that MTX is a key aspect of modern day Runescape, and without it I feel the game would have died by now, or in the next few years due to lack of funding, which would result in less updates.


Couldn't agree more.

Well said friend :)
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27-May-2019 21:01:04

Blackwing
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Also thinking about it, Runescape is kinda lucky in the fact that it has a sort-of alternative reality thanks to OSRS, where you can see the difference in what would have happened with RS3 had it also sticked to the membership fee monetization: in OSRS, you don't need to grind to endgame to have fun, because there are players and content for all levels to have an enjoyable experience. Because OSRS doesn't throw tons of MTX in your face, that's what it has to do: in order for it to make money, it has offer a full, enjoyable experience for the $11 monthly fee. To make a pizza comparison here, membership in OSRS is like a pizza with complete fillings.

In comparison, the "RS3 pizza" consists of the pizza base, which is the membership fee, and all the different forms of MTX, which are all separate fillings to the pizza. A pizza base can make your hunger go away, but it's hardly satisfying when it lacks the fillings. And that's where the MTX come in: only with them can you have a full, satisfying experience. No game company, Jagex or any other, designs MTX to be optional, because they're businesses with the intent of making money. Yet because MTX are so flooded in RS3, it's not a reasonable price to pay for the full experience, especially the gambling MTX, where you don't even know the full price since it can be anything from a few bucks to hundreds.

Note: I get that the above might sound like a RS3 vs OSRS argument, but it's not meant to be like that. I like both games in their core potential and I'd like both games to succeed, it's simply that RS3 is having a rough time these days and I want to be honest.
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27-May-2019 21:19:41

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I'm a casual player; about 1.5 hours a day although I go through periods of not logging in for a week or more.

I'm not an MTX user but over time have managed to Max two accounts and am well on the way to several 120s on one account. I don't feel compelled, or obliged, to avail myself of MTX.

If a much newer player wants to fast-track themselves by using MTX I can only shrug and think "Well, so what?" It's not interfering with the way I play the game, it's not spoiling the way I choose to play the game.

I really can't get excited about MTX for, or against.
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27-May-2019 21:21:09

Blackwing
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If a much newer player wants to fast-track themselves by using MTX I can only shrug and think "Well, so what?" It's not interfering with the way I play the game, it's not spoiling the way I choose to play the game.

Depending on what you do in the game, MTX has a variety of consequences that will affect everyone, even those who don't buy the MTX, since MTX is always considered in the game design process, or else it wouldn't make money. E.g. if you're a skiller making money via gathering or producing items, the prices of those items are devalued thanks to Treasure Hunter injecting more of them to the game, as well as decreasing the supply of e.g. resources, when key buyers skip buying the resources and use lamps to train instead.
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27-May-2019 21:25:49

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