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Xanthean
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Kamu said:
Not every aspect of this game should be just mindlessly grinding. Some aspects of the cape should take skill.


Group bossing isn't about skill though.

Arguably araxxi and KK take more skill with more people.

Every other group boss is massable except for raids, including AoD.

That is in fact why leeching even exists. And we've already been informed that Solak will not be an exception, with the expectation that duo mode will be many times more difficult than group, and even some hints that it will be more rewarding to justify the difficulty.

I, personally, would like to facepalm and lose hundreds of millions in death fees learning and doing the fight in the first week, but I'm not willing to put up with group politics bullshit or schedule my playtime (I left WoW to get away from that shit), and I don't have a partner who I trust not to fuck up. Neither of those are things I can compensate for with my skill in a group setting.

I actually even have solo KK under my belt since bladed dive was released and think it was a wonderful change.

So I, personally, will be waiting for leeches to start being sold and cheap out, because I'm not willing to deal with the grouping bullshit.

If they aren't going to go with the AoD massability approach, I think it's a valid complaint that they keep a requirement but change the hoops to requiring to talk to other people. But I don't think it's a massive departure; I think it's more like raids v2.0.

09-May-2018 18:24:16 - Last edited on 09-May-2018 18:38:47 by Xanthean

SandyHorizon
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Xanthean said:

Group bossing isn't about skill though.


Maybe not for some people who want just one kill and that's it, but for others it requires a lot of skill and time to learn the group bosses. Those are the ones who offer to help other players get their kills whether they charge to take you, or do it just because they enjoy helping others and charge nothing at all. They're the ones who do facepalm and deal with group politics and press on regardless. I give those people a lot of credit for helping people like myself out. I found a nice group of young people (I'm an older player) and they don't charge. They also help you learn if you want to, and I did. But, that team doesn't get together but once or twice a month and it takes me a long, long time and many, many deaths to learn mechanics--fine when I die over, and over and over on my own, but I don't feel comfortable expecting others to carry me and them die if I make mistakes. I really had a lot of fun with the group that took me. They were super patient with me, I didn't get hollered at if I messed up, I even went to several bosses more than once just to try and learn more.

Kudos to you for soloing KK, that's not an easy feat!

09-May-2018 22:43:29

Xanthean
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SandyHorizon said:
Xanthean said:

Group bossing isn't about skill though.


Context: Vorago was massable on release, as was AoD. I got my AoD kill by massing it within 30 mins of release.

Short of 2 man AoD, 2 man Rago or 2 man Yaka/BM, there just isn't any group content with a skill ceiling beyond Raxx, Telos or solo KK. Ergo, group bossing isn't about skill. It's about politics and clan scheduling.

SandyHorizon said:
fine when I die over, and over and over on my own, but I don't feel comfortable expecting others to carry me and them die if I make mistakes.


Which is precisely why I will just leech if the fight is as difficult as jagex claims. I don't care about cost or difficulty. I just refuse to learn the fight if it means grouping since I will never use that knowledge to do that content for fun or for profit because of the grouping requirement.

SandyHorizon said:

Kudos to you for soloing KK, that's not an easy feat!


*Wasn't. Since bladed dive, it's been feasible to grind out your own defender parts.

10-May-2018 06:37:44 - Last edited on 10-May-2018 06:38:23 by Xanthean

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