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Hex 0mega
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Its been forever since I've been able to play the game. So long in fact that I hadn't even really been around when they added legacy mode. I decided to try it, thinking that it would be less damaging than manual, considering there are special attacks in manual which are deactivated when switching over to legacy. Much to my surprise and utter disappointment, I was wrong... Legacy is far superior to manual! That doesn't even make sense...

When fighting ogres, even if I use special attacks in battle it takes a long time to kill them where as if I fight in legacy mode with specials deactivated, I'm wiping the floor with them in 3-
4 hits! Compared to Legacy mode, manual makes me feel like I'm fighting a freakin boss battle! This COMPLETELY defeats the purpose of even having special attacks! Special attacks traditionally in any game are supposed to give you an edge in your fight. The way this is now, they do half the damage you can do with one normal swing in legacy at best and thats really dumb.

Legacy is also faster attack speed than manual. Even as a dual wielder... Between the time it takes for the attacks to cool down and the fact you just don't attack very fast by default, manual combat its just ridiculously slow compared to legacy. Especially since ALL your attacks must cool down when you use one... This is also senseless...

Needless to say, they need to be more balanced. In my opinion, legacy mode just needs to go becuase I think if people don't like EoC then they can just play oldschool, but I know that won't happen so it needs to be nerfed like big time. It just makes no sense to do far less damage using special abilities than you do in a mode in which you are unable to use them at all... No sense whatsoever. Legacy is just flat out broken and it needs to do less damage becuase it makes the special attacks feel absolutely useless.
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26-Feb-2019 15:16:03 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2019 01:40:24 by Hex 0mega

Kings Abbot

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Usually Manual is better than Legacy (there a re a few rare cases where it isn't), so if you don't experience that, you might not be using Manuals full potential. The RS Wiki needs a hand, and Bwian's will gladly take the rest of your body!
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26-Feb-2019 22:17:20

Tenebri
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kopaka put this well on another thread of same topic.... odd they are popping up...

some things may not be same as to what you post but the main jist of it explains it well

Kopaka said:
So few questions:

What weapons? By the sounds of it you are probably using dual wield when you should be using 2H, but that's only minor.

Are you using basic abilities or only thresholds? Using auto-attacks to generate adrenaline is extremely inefficient unless you have an invention perk specifically boosting adrenaline gain from auto-attacks, but if you had that I doubt you'd be fighting ankous.

When I am fighting using dual-wield melee, my basic ability rotation is something like:

Decimate -> Havoc -> Sever -> Tuska's Wrath -> Backhand -> Punish -> Fury

With Thresholds sprinkled in where needed:

Destroy -> Assault

And the occasional Berzerk ultimate ability.

I don't personally use Flurry due to the lower damage to single targets, and if I'm fighting more than one enemy at a time I much prefer to be using a 2H weapon for access to Quake and Hurricane.

Anyway I think for me Legacy is the optimal choice when fighting one enemy at a time (i.e. they are too strong to fight more than one at once or they don't allow you to, such as with Strykewurms) and it is best used with 2H weapons to deal the highest amount of damage per hit, which hopefully will allow you to 1-shot at least some of the time. If the enemy is too strong to one-shot then you might not want to use Legacy because you will probably want access to the Regenerate ability to recuperate your health now and then.

Dual Wield -> Hard single enemies such as bosses

2H -> Easy enemies and hordes of enemies

Legacy -> Single targets, usually using a 2H

Manual -> Enemies which require precision timing on key abilities such as Resonance, usually bosses.

Revolution -> Most enemies
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26-Feb-2019 22:20:40 - Last edited on 26-Feb-2019 22:21:16 by Tenebri

Hex 0mega
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Maybe I literally need to post a video becuase I can use that crap on ogres and it will take longer to kill them. With legacy, I can take them in 3 hits, not to mention I attack twice as fast. Not to be rude, but that advice was not helpful to me in any way shape or form as a dual weilder. It should not matter what you are facing, by all rights using special abilities should kill things faster than sitting and fighting OSRS style... They just need to balance it. "Crawling from hell
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27-Feb-2019 01:20:58 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2019 01:38:02 by Hex 0mega

Kings Abbot

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Hex 0mega said:
Maybe I literally need to post a video becuase I can use that crap on ogres and it will take longer to kill them. With legacy, I can take them in 3 hits, not to mention I attack twice as fast. Not to be rude, but that advice was not helpful to me in any way shape or form as a dual weilder. It should not matter what you are facing, by all rights using special abilities should kill things faster than sitting and fighting OSRS style... They just need to balance it.


As said before, you might be not be using Manuals full potential.
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27-Feb-2019 21:57:45

Tenebri
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Kings Abbot said:
Hex 0mega said:
Maybe I literally need to post a video becuase I can use that crap on ogres and it will take longer to kill them. With legacy, I can take them in 3 hits, not to mention I attack twice as fast. Not to be rude, but that advice was not helpful to me in any way shape or form as a dual weilder. It should not matter what you are facing, by all rights using special abilities should kill things faster than sitting and fighting OSRS style... They just need to balance it.


As said before, you might be not be using Manuals full potential.


id go with this
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27-Feb-2019 22:14:25

Hex 0mega
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Well I uploaded a video to prove my point. I use the attacks she suggested at ankous and start off, where I have a slow ass defalt attack while I'm waiting for my abilities to cool down, then switch to legacy mode where I start attacking about as fast as the bugs attack you in the dark without a light source and killing them in 3 hits. There is solid proof legacy is better. My Youtube is the same name only spaced "Crawling from hell
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28-Feb-2019 00:45:11

Hex 0mega
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Accidently posted twice and they don't let you delete posts. Makes sense. ^_^ "Crawling from hell
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28-Feb-2019 00:45:57 - Last edited on 28-Feb-2019 00:54:45 by Hex 0mega

Kings Abbot

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A said in your other thread, you're waiting too long between abilities.
Also, you're forgetting to use theshold and ultimates, which deal a lot more damage.

You just proved how Legacy doesn't need a nerf.
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