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Southeaster
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Hello everyone, welcome to another of my threads.

The topic of this thread is based off an exchange I had several months ago with someone else:
Southeaster said:
Nexus Origin said:
Southeaster said:
it's only the people who haven't played for years who should be kept out
But why?

Perhaps I was too harsh with that phrasing. I am perfectly fine with former players staying on the forums to chat with friends or to participate in idle banter.

But I have observed certain people lingering around passing judgement on events in a game which they are not actually experiencing any more, and because they don't play the game anymore, their statements or opinions are inaccurate or nonsensical. It just seems... weird. These are forums specific to a game that they have quit, and yet they hang around commenting on the game without keeping up with updates or events. This is what I cannot understand.

Southeaster said:
Spearmint30 said:
Nexus Origin said:
I see.

If someone is causing a problem, either call them out on it individually, or if needed FH them.
Well said! This is a moderation issue, not an access issue.

I understand that and I agree with you both that this issue (only this issue, not the one on the other thread) would be better served by changing moderation to solve such problems. Like I said, I was being too harsh when I made my first statement.


As such, my proposal is as follows:

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whoever is humming the jaws theme is gonna get slapped

26-Mar-2019 14:15:33

Southeaster
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Proposal

If people make statements or assertions (not questions!) that are falsehoods, or clearly prove that they do not understand the game or the forums, they ought to be reportable to FH for being off-topic or misleading. There is no value whatsoever to posts that are demonstrably false, at best they do not contribute at all to the topic, at worst they provide bad and misleading advice to people seeking answers.

For instance, some years back, I posted in the Treasure Hunter forum stating with certainty that Jagex only offered double key offers to players who had never bought Treasure Hunter keys before. I quickly received several replies proving my claim to be false. Under my proposal, the post I made would be deemed acceptable to be hidden by a Forum Moderator.

For the sake of consistency, as outlined and made clear in this thread, should a Forum Moderator be the one to make misleading statements or falsehoods, such posts would be reportable to FMR for a Jmod to hide.

Note: when I say 'falsehoods', I mean statements so blatantly false that no reasonable person would entertain its validity. Statements like "Mod MMG is still the CEO of Jagex, Forum Mods have gold backgrounds", asinine statements like that.

Statements that are subjective in nature or could be interpreted as valid if viewed in a different context shall be exempt from this rule and not subject to a hide.

This will only apply to statements that are talking about the game. Not about politics, religion, or any other similar subjective topic.


If the person involved subsequently retracts the falsehood he or she has claimed, either by declaring the retraction in a subsequent post, or by editing out the falsehood from the original post, there shall be no need to hide the post containing the falsehood.

Do let me know your thoughts.
whoever is humming the jaws theme is gonna get slapped

26-Mar-2019 14:15:38 - Last edited on 27-Mar-2019 14:49:21 by Southeaster

Southeaster
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Tough Powers said:
No support fmods are by far the worst offenders at this.


Southeaster said:
For the sake of consistency, as outlined and made clear in this thread, should a Forum Moderator be the one to make misleading statements or falsehoods, such posts would be reportable to FMR for a Jmod to hide.


Tough Powers said:
You could have just edited your own post once you realised you were wrong.


Southeaster said:
I am willing to accept one exception to this rule: that is if the person involved subsequently retracts the falsehood he or she has claimed, either by declaring the retraction in a subsequent post, or by editing out the falsehood from the original post. Under this circumstance, there shall be no need to hide the post containing the falsehood.
whoever is humming the jaws theme is gonna get slapped

26-Mar-2019 14:59:59 - Last edited on 26-Mar-2019 15:00:54 by Southeaster

Tough Powers

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Southeaster said:
Tough Powers said:
No support fmods are by far the worst offenders at this.


Southeaster said:
For the sake of consistency, as outlined and made clear in this thread, should a Forum Moderator be the one to make misleading statements or falsehoods, such posts would be reportable to FMR for a Jmod to hide.


So you will have people reporting posts for being actually wrong, fmods removing posts without checking or knowing what they are talking about as ever, then have people reporting to fmr, then have jmods not bothering to check anything and not knowing what they are talking about as usual.

No thanks. Maybe one day when I see a mod who makes the slightest bit of sense even once in their life.

Tough Powers said:
You could have just edited your own post once you realised you were wrong.


Southeaster said:
I am willing to accept one exception to this rule: that is if the person involved subsequently retracts the falsehood he or she has claimed, either by declaring the retraction in a subsequent post, or by editing out the falsehood from the original post. Under this circumstance, there shall be no need to hide the post containing the falsehood.


If the person retracts in a subsequent post there is no different from the person you want to report to pointing out it is factually incorrect.

Absolutely no support at all.

26-Mar-2019 15:17:45 - Last edited on 26-Mar-2019 15:18:35 by Tough Powers

Southeaster
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Tough Powers said:
So you will have people reporting posts for being actually wrong, fmods removing posts without checking or knowing what they are talking about as ever, then have people reporting to fmr, then have jmods not bothering to check anything and not knowing what they are talking about as usual.

No thanks. Maybe one day when I see a mod who makes the slightest bit of sense even once in their life.

If the person retracts in a subsequent post there is no different from the person you want to report to pointing out it is factually incorrect.

Absolutely no support at all.

Were we under previous Jmod administrations, I would be inclined to agree with you. With the current Jmods in charge, I feel that I can trust them to do the right thing, as far as individual FMR reports are concerned.

And I do think that there is a difference between retraction and pointing out errors.
whoever is humming the jaws theme is gonna get slapped

26-Mar-2019 15:58:29

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