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Chief Elf
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This may sound ridiculous but.. I've created this thread because I've been forced to question whether Jagex is moderating RSOF with full awareness of the Code of Conduct (COC).

Recently, I've received this reply from a particular Jmod:



It's abundantly clear that politics and religion are permissible on RSOFs as per the COC (please look at point 5);



In the first image, the Jmod expresses the opposite. He's not even arguing based on context. He's attempting to state a rule. A rule that had been changed ages ago.

Furthermore, politics and religion is as controversial as it goes. Are you saying that controversial topics, are not allowed on RSOF? Where is the line drawn? Well let me tell you Jagex, that the line was removed by your colleague in the past - we are able to maintain controversial topics provided its done with dignity and respect.

This issue prompts questions like;

How long has Jagex been operating misguidedly?

How has this affected the quality of response to FMR appeals?

How has this affected the community?

How has Jagex's misguidance led to the community's misguidance? How has Jagex's misguidance influenced the forum moderating guidelines which affects the community?

Though one can argue that I'm being petty, I believe that there needs to be a reasonable level of transparency if Jagex intends to maintain a fair system and sound sense of procedural justice. Especially since the words of a Jagex staff member is taken as precedent by the community.

(To be clear, this isn't an argument about my appeal to Jagex. In fact, I don't disagree with the Jmod's response (except for the line about controversial topic). I wasn't entirely against with a particular Fmod's action, but felt that the moderated action could've been based on a different, more reasonable justification. I felt that communication is key. But that's not the subject at hand)
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29-Apr-2019 08:43:06 - Last edited on 29-Apr-2019 09:01:49 by Chief Elf

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Predictions:

1. This thread will attract the usual crew of haters and negative posters, who will jump at the chance to criticise Jagex and its employees.

2. You will be reminded that discussion of moderator (including JMod) actions is to be restricted to the Forum Moderation Review thread and this thread will be locked.

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29-Apr-2019 08:49:57

Chief Elf
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Archaeox said:
Predictions:

1. This thread will attract the usual crew of haters and negative posters, who will jump at the chance to criticise Jagex and its employees.

2. You will be reminded that discussion of moderator (including JMod) actions is to be restricted to the Forum Moderation Review thread and this thread will be locked.


Hahah love you, Archaeox.

Sometimes it feels like we're trapped in limbo doesn't it?

In my defense though, I had attempted to approach the subject as respectfully as I can. Plus, Im not talking about my appeal here, but that Jagex has provided evidence that they're not entirely versed with the COC.
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29-Apr-2019 08:51:08 - Last edited on 29-Apr-2019 09:21:56 by Chief Elf

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You missed the point in point 5.

Though politics and religion threads are now permitted,
they will be moderated to a greater extent than other content
as it is easier to cause offence and upset in those subjects.


I can't answer for others but thats how I see it.
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29-Apr-2019 09:52:14

Chief Elf
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Tuffty said:
You missed the point in point 5.

Though politics and religion threads are now permitted,
they will be moderated to a greater extent than other content
as it is easier to cause offence and upset in those subjects.


I can't answer for others but thats how I see it.


I hope you're not thinking that I created this thread without reading the entire sentence of point 5. Regulars in Off Topics are aware that controversial threads are heavily moderated. We don't even need to read the COC for that, we can just look at the trolls and fmod response.

No, you missed the point of this whole thread and what the Jmod said. He said:

"We
don't allow
topics that are controversial like race, religion, etc.."

If he had said "Though we allow topics like race and religion on these forums, the thread had gotten out of hand" it's a different story and of course I wouldn't have made this thread.

Secondly, he's alluding that controversial topics along those lines aren't permissable.

Tufty, you were here prior to the latest change of the rules. I'm not sure about you, but I remember there were arguments about controversial topics and how such topics had no place on the forums yadayaya. Mod Kalaya (and I'm assuming the rest of CM) made the decision which appeared more in favour of controversial topics (by allowing politics and religion). Which means it didnt matter if you thought you liked controversial topics or not, the decision had been made.

The fact that this particular Jmod is arguing with that old mindset shows he hasn't updated himself.

Edit:

Prior to this thread, I re-read his post at least about 4 times to see if it was possible that the Jmod was stating the rule in the context of my appeal. But it didn't seem to be the case. It appeared as though he was stating an outdated rule.
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29-Apr-2019 10:40:25 - Last edited on 29-Apr-2019 10:44:31 by Chief Elf

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The JMod is, indeed, stating the exact opposite of the CoC by saying that topics like race, religion etc are not allowed.

Religious topics most certainly are and there's at least one long-standing thread on Christianity. Idk about Race - can't remember seeing one apart from the crap troll thread currently in OT.

Maybe the JMod didn't get the Memo.

Fortunately the bulk of the moderating on the forums is done by the FMods, who are entirely aware of the contents of the CoC.
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29-Apr-2019 10:43:23

Tuffty
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@Chief Elf

I get what you say about it. It's confusing.

I'll pass it along and see how it goes.

I read it to say it will be moderated more then any other thread but I seem to have misread it too. :P

I remember Mod Kalaya and the great changes She made. Miss her around here. But Mod Meadows is here now. He does a great job. ;)

Edited. Passed along as promissed. ;)
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29-Apr-2019 10:50:35 - Last edited on 29-Apr-2019 10:52:10 by Tuffty

Chief Elf
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FiFi LaFeles said:
The JMod is, indeed, stating the exact opposite of the CoC by saying that topics like race, religion etc are not allowed.

Religious topics most certainly are and there's at least one long-standing thread on Christianity. Idk about Race - can't remember seeing one apart from the crap troll thread currently in OT.

Maybe the JMod didn't get the Memo.

Fortunately the bulk of the moderating on the forums is done by the FMods, who are entirely aware of the contents of the CoC.


Yes, I do agree that at the very least our Fmods are versed in COC.

But in response to your earlier sentences - it does concern me, primarily because he's CM.

I don't remember if the Jmod came before or after the latest change of the rules. Either way, it's a worry. If it was after change of rules and the Jmod was inducted into community management, then you start to question if it was an effective induction, if the Jmod had revised the CoC, if there's been a communication breakdown etc. - because all of this affects the community. What's worse is that he operates FMR. If it was before change of rules, then Lord knows what's happening in CM at that point of time.

I hope I'm not the only one who sees why this is important. The FMR is the community's platform to voice out against actions that may have been unfair. So it *has* to be effective, sound, fair and with minimal lapses.

Otherwise people are just gonna take it to Reddit or Twitter, which will get a more adverse reaction from the community, straining the relationship between Jagex and the community.
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29-Apr-2019 10:57:24 - Last edited on 29-Apr-2019 11:01:35 by Chief Elf

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