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David James
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David James

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I was unsure whether to post this in Suggestions Or Existing game content as it applies to both, so feel free to move it wherever.

Anyway..


I'm an obvious returning player and the biggest argument I see everywhere is Skilling vs PvM'ing.

Both sides have their points, and since I actually do/enjoy both (just depends on current goal or how much attention I wanna dedicate towards Runescape) it seems obvious to me as a returning player the inherent problem with it all.

Altscape. The allowing of players to simultaneously play multiple accounts at the same time.

This wasn't allowed for a long ass time because it hurt the integrity of the game, which Jagex has used as an excuse for a lot of balancing changes nowadays.

It forced players to choose between gathering resources (consistent but boring profits) or killing mobs (inconsistent but entertaining profits) with the end result being slightly in favor of PvM over time due to the risk vs reward dynamic.

Deaths nowadays aren't nearly as risky/costly as they were back then yet the rewards are substantially higher.

Ignoring that, the reason gathering resources is such a poor method of earning wealth is because of the allowance of players to gather on multiple accounts at the same time.


Just remove Altscape and once again force people to choose how they wanna earn their income. A boring but lazy way or an entertaining but attentive way. PvM will still have the edge (as it should) but not such a dominating one.

Not only will this increase skilling profits, but PvM as well. Once skilling profits go back up people will choose between consistent skilling or inconsistent PvM which will lower the amount of uniques being added, increasing their value and thereby increasing PvM profits.


I know the chances of this happening are slim as it makes Jagex more monies but since you're all of a sudden "caring" about integrity, this is the biggest integrity issue of them all barring P2W.

12-Mar-2019 21:25:57 - Last edited on 12-Mar-2019 21:28:23 by David James

Kopaka
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Kopaka

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Its not only alts. Bots are an issue too that kill the gp value of skilling.

Just imagine if there were no bots how much stuff like divination energy, runes, logs, ores, etc would be worth. Skilling would actually be an extremely viable method to make money.

Of course Jagex tries to crack down on bots but as far as I can tell it's just the lazy players using auto clickers that honestly harm nobody but themselves who get caught and the comp sci botter programmers get away scott free making bils and crashing the economy to dust.

13-Mar-2019 00:06:00

David James
Dec Member 2018

David James

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Bots are against the rules though, and are constantly being fought/banned. Hence me not even bringing it up because technically, they're already doing something about them.

I'd argue alts are bigger problem considering more people utilize alts than those that attempt to bot.

Even autoclicking is harmful and most definitely hurts other players as it allows players to engage in activities for far longer/automatically against those that do not and stay within the rules.

This thread isn't about bots though, it's about allowing players to unfairly harvest vast amounts of resources which crash the value of said resources. Not everybody has the hardware on their PC to operate many instances of the Game Client to compete against alt armies.

13-Mar-2019 00:32:30 - Last edited on 13-Mar-2019 02:54:29 by David James

Kopaka
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David James said:
I'd argue alts are bigger problem considering more people utilize alts than those that attempt to bot.

Definitely can't agree with you there chief.
David James said:
Even autoclicking is harmful and most definitely hurts other players as it allows players to engage in activities for far longer/automatically against those that do not and stay within the rules.

It's pretty minimal by comparison but I won't argue the point as it is still against the rules.
David James said:
This thread isn't about bots though, it's about allowing players to unfairly harvest vast amounts of resources which crash the value of said resources. Not everybody has the hardware on their PC to operate many instances of the Game Client to compete against alt armies.

Bots definitely out number alts 100 to 1. Like no comparison. There are maybe 20 people who play on more than two accounts at once regularly, and then probably 500 more who play on two at once regularly. Two at once is pretty much unnoticeable. Compare that to a bot farmer with 500 accounts going at once. It just is no comparison.

13-Mar-2019 04:03:11 - Last edited on 13-Mar-2019 04:04:44 by Kopaka

David James
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David James

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We'll just have to agree to disagree, as I personally know what would be equivalent to over half of your playerbase that uses alts to gather resources on 2-3 alts regularly.

Counting how many "random" players claiming to use alts I've met on my homeworld alone, your number is highly inaccurate as this would exceed your number by almost double.

You're also comparing rulebreakers to something that's currently allowed, which if only 1 instance of the game were allowed to be open at any given time, could not be done unless said person actually had 500 computers.

At which case they'd prolly be better off just mining some form of virtual currency over playing RS with the same resources/cost of upkeep for that many servers/computers.


Not to mention that bots have a relatively short life span whereas alts can reach and maintain high levels to farm and crash higher-valued resources.

Don't see too many botters spending months completing many quests per account (multiply that by 500) and other requirements just to create a botting account that can farm resources for a couple weeks before being banned.

They generally stick to lower-leveled content that is significantly easier to unlock to start botting faster as (from what I mentioned before) their lifespan is much shorter. That's why you see them mostly in low leveled content areas.

500 bots mining for a month (ignoring half of them get banned before then) is no comparison to even 100 alts mining for a year, you're absolutely right about that.

13-Mar-2019 04:42:57

David James
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Again, not here to talk about bots there are many threads of people bitching about those, this is about alts and how now the current "comeback" to anything gathering related is just to create an alt-army like everybody else because that's why skilling is so low in terms of profit; because it can be alt-armied.

If we're gonna talk about what affects the game more than alts we need to discuss TH/P2W as well, but that'd be off topic wouldn't it?

13-Mar-2019 04:46:00 - Last edited on 13-Mar-2019 04:46:55 by David James

David James
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David James

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Yep, just as it used to be.

I know it ain't really gonna happen, both cuz it makes Jagex more monies and cuz so much of the player base likes to play on multiple accounts (not just alt armies, but like a main and an iron/skiller) BUT it'd slow the amount of resources coming into the game which would help out skillers.

Tbh I'd do it myself but I'd rather watch a movie or play a more interactive game at the same time if I'm not bossing than 3-5+ skiller accounts. That and I'd still make more money bossing on a single account if I was doing it just for money.

I see it being used as an excuse all the time for why skillers deserve bad profits, so why not return it to how it was?

13-Mar-2019 13:44:42

Tenebri
Jan Gold Premier Club Member 2015

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David James said:
BUT it'd slow the amount of resources coming into the game which would help out skillers.


whats with the "help out skillers" threads going on at the moment?

as a skiller myself i have no issues at all


David James said:
I see it being used as an excuse all the time for why skillers deserve bad profits, so why not return it to how it was?


whos given this as an axcuse for skillers to "deserve" bad profits?


many skilling activites that is a lot of gp. the only threads i see are for the ones that are completely afk. which doesnt deserve a lot of gp
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13-Mar-2019 14:37:27 - Last edited on 13-Mar-2019 14:38:44 by Tenebri

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