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Uncle Pob

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Double Life said:
Uncle Pob said:
Why does such a buff need to be Invention related? Higher-tier Drygore that requires the original Drygores would achieve the same - if not better - result.

How about this: Trigore, requires 3x Drygore (and a few extra bits and pieces) to craft.


Would help. Problem is, people can solo kalphite king.

Why is that a problem?

Your original problem was "what do we do with all the Drygores?". If people can solo KK, that means there's always going to be a surplus, but it would still act as an effective sink. If your current problem is "people would run KK 3 times, then end up with a rediculously strong sword", that's where the extra ingredient (or ingredients) come into play.

Maybe the extra ingredient could be a component only obtainable by disassembling Drygores until you get it. Maybe something much harder to obtain, or a combination of these.

My point is that the solution to oversupply and devaluation should not always be "get the players to buy massive stacks of them and take them apart looking for a particularly rare thing". It's a solution that exists, but it shouldn't always be the only solution that is ever used.

As it stands, if people were encouraged to disassemble them, the price would shoot up and suddenly PvMers would be all-over KK deliberately farming Drygores because they're suddenly a way to make very easy profit. People farming items because they're over-valuable is counter-productive to the whole "oversaturation" problem.

09-Jan-2019 10:26:28 - Last edited on 09-Jan-2019 10:28:28 by Uncle Pob

Subzero
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Elder rune +5 weapons are not statistically better than Drygores, in either EoC or Legacy.

This is before even taking into account that Drygores can be Augmented, whilst Smithed equipment cannot.



I would not be against Drygores disassembling to a decent perk, however. Something like this thematically could work well:

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Rank 5 @ base 9,900 Life points would mean that each NPC that attacks you must deal 495 points of damage to break your Exoskeleton before its attacks actually harm your Life points. This could be useful for AoE tanking many enemies, such as ED1.
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Hidden Relic
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Double Life said:
Hidden Relic said:
Double Life said:
Better than Drygores. When are drygores going to have something AMAZING for invention to get rid of them all in the game?

Elder Rune shouldn't be nerfed. Drygores just need something to be taken out of the game since you continue to let them be garbage T90's in the economy.

Who told you they were better than Drygores?


The stats did

accept they didn't.
Drygore are Tier 90.
Elder Rune +5 is tier 85.
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09-Jan-2019 10:31:43

Hidden Relic
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Double Life said:
Rikornak said:
https://runescape.wiki/w/Drygore_longsword (1102 dmg, 2458 acc)
https://runescape.wiki/w/Elder_rune_longsword_%2B_5 (1041.3 dmg, 2178 acc)

Thing is - your damage comparison with the mace doesn't work since it is a fastest weapon - more swings in legacy or more ability damage (or well equal to other drygs) in the EoC.

Besides dryg is augmentable, elder rune isn't. Elder rune has t85 stats with 90 requirements - so compare it to tetsu, ripper claws or those fury blades.


Elder runes better. Anyway, I'll continue on my way with elder rune +5 till people see its better. till then have fun with the drys being dumped.

Nevermind people, This is just a bad Troll attempt it seems.
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09-Jan-2019 10:32:33

Rikornak
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Hidden Relic said:
Double Life said:
Rikornak said:
https://runescape.wiki/w/Drygore_longsword (1102 dmg, 2458 acc)
https://runescape.wiki/w/Elder_rune_longsword_%2B_5 (1041.3 dmg, 2178 acc)

Thing is - your damage comparison with the mace doesn't work since it is a fastest weapon - more swings in legacy or more ability damage (or well equal to other drygs) in the EoC.

Besides dryg is augmentable, elder rune isn't. Elder rune has t85 stats with 90 requirements - so compare it to tetsu, ripper claws or those fury blades.


Elder runes better. Anyway, I'll continue on my way with elder rune +5 till people see its better. till then have fun with the drys being dumped.

Nevermind people, This is just a bad Troll attempt it seems.


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09-Jan-2019 10:36:33

Aria Ventus
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Hidden Relic said:
Double Life said:
Rikornak said:
https://runescape.wiki/w/Drygore_longsword (1102 dmg, 2458 acc)
https://runescape.wiki/w/Elder_rune_longsword_%2B_5 (1041.3 dmg, 2178 acc)

Thing is - your damage comparison with the mace doesn't work since it is a fastest weapon - more swings in legacy or more ability damage (or well equal to other drygs) in the EoC.

Besides dryg is augmentable, elder rune isn't. Elder rune has t85 stats with 90 requirements - so compare it to tetsu, ripper claws or those fury blades.


Elder runes better. Anyway, I'll continue on my way with elder rune +5 till people see its better. till then have fun with the drys being dumped.

Nevermind people, This is just a bad Troll attempt it seems.


Don't know if OP is a troll or a price manip.

Edit: Since Rikonorak explained why the drygores are statistically better I've edited my rebuttal and just leave it at why drygore maces aren't weaker than elder rune longsword or in fact, higher damage t80 chaotics as damage stats would suggest:

If speed should not be factored into dps calculations then by OP's logic, a level 75 Raddalin King's 2h Sword beats level 90 dual wield drygore longswords because the damage of Raddallin's is 1670 while the combined damage of drygore longsword and its off-hand is 1650.

So, Drygore maces thanks to being fastest weapons have the same dps as its other drygore counterparts.
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09-Jan-2019 10:47:12 - Last edited on 09-Jan-2019 10:57:11 by Aria Ventus

Uncle Pob

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Aria Ventus said:
Conclusion: Drygore longsword beats elder rune longsword +5 in every way because same speed with higher damage and accuracy..

Yep, it's still stronger.

I think the bigger problem is that people are able to pump-out Elder +5's surprisingly quickly, and that seems to be causing the value of Elders to crash spectacularly.

While Elders and Drygores are somewhat competitve in price, people will mostly stick to Drygores. However the bigger the price-gap, the more people may be inclined to "downgrade" to Elder +5, and choose those when content just isn't difficult enough to warrant using Drygores. Elders could fit the bill if they're sufficiently cheap - but that would cause a reduction in demand for Drygores which could still drive oversaturation and devaluation.

In other words, if Elders fall below 1-2m then people are bound to switch to using those when Drygores are overkill, since Drygores are more costly to maintain and buy. Why degrade your all-powerful expensive weapon when you don't have to?

It's something we won't know until the rework has been out for a while, prices settle, and people start to formulate new strategies and habits.

09-Jan-2019 10:55:53

Draco Burnz
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Hidden Relic said:
Double Life said:
Rikornak said:
https://runescape.wiki/w/Drygore_longsword (1102 dmg, 2458 acc)
https://runescape.wiki/w/Elder_rune_longsword_%2B_5 (1041.3 dmg, 2178 acc)

Thing is - your damage comparison with the mace doesn't work since it is a fastest weapon - more swings in legacy or more ability damage (or well equal to other drygs) in the EoC.

Besides dryg is augmentable, elder rune isn't. Elder rune has t85 stats with 90 requirements - so compare it to tetsu, ripper claws or those fury blades.


Elder runes better. Anyway, I'll continue on my way with elder rune +5 till people see its better. till then have fun with the drys being dumped.

Nevermind people, This is just a bad Troll attempt it seems.


Agreed.
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09-Jan-2019 11:40:56

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Regardless of whether or not someone factors in speed, the game does that automatically for you. Drygores are innately stronger due to ELS+5 being slower, lower level, and non-augmentable.
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