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XSlay4DeathX
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Draco Burnz said:
Tenebri said:
there is no problem. there was one but it was fixed.


Yet the problem still exists that theres currently no way to get onyxs from skilling.

Why shouldnt there be?


Still can get onyx dust from highest geodes but requires 97 divination to transmute into an onyx. But I do agree JaGeX failed to fix the problem, onyx's are heading back down to alch value. Should of removed Gem Rocks entirely since geodes mass gems anyways and added rare chances to get onyx from normal mining, removing them from ed1, ed2 and ed3. Last I checked gems are found in rocks ;)

21-Mar-2019 11:26:46

Firebat
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A Vitalis said:
Out of curiosity, how much PvM do you actually do? Evidently very little if you genuinely think there isn't a difference between PvM and skilling.


You're entirely missing the point. If there was no difference between the difficulty of skilling and the difficulty of PvM, we'd expect to see similar amounts of complaints about both, and yet we don't. Does that objectively prove PvM is harder than skilling 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt? No, but it's a pretty damn solid indicator, would you not agree?

Appeal to majority didn't work, so let's try appeal to authority, right? I could do no PvM at all or multilog 7 accounts in one solak fight, it doesn't make my perspective any less valid. I don't inherently write you off as pro-pvm/anti-skiller because your clan name is Solak and you kill 20 araxxi a day either.

The PvMers of today are akin to the PKers of 2007, elitist mentalities who think their dollar is inherently worth more than people who like different things than them. I don't ask for a PvM rate, I ask to adjust my pittance. You say, "fuck your pittance, I got mine." I offer an even-handed approach that adjusts on Jagex's broad sweeps, you say "nah anything you can AFK that's not PvM shouldn't hit 7 digits" Explain to me why level 99 mining with a string of 75s attached is 1.3m/hr if you're active, but 40 smithing (for family crest) nets you 1.5m/hr+ from smelting iron ore w/ rings of forging, netting you 72 seconds of AFK at a time?

EDIT: Format adjustment, and I neglected the caveat that 1.5m/hr from iron calls for superheat form. Without it, it just breaks 1m/hr for more afk and maybe 5% the effort. Talk about exponentials.

21-Mar-2019 13:04:33 - Last edited on 21-Mar-2019 13:33:21 by Firebat

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A Vitalis said:
Everything you say here could be true (even though it's probably not, but I don't play enough DS or Minecraft to argue about it) and it STILL wouldn't invalidate the point I'm trying to make. Reducing a game to 'clicking a button' is inconducive to a debate about the difficulty of said game's mechanics, and honestly is fucking dumb. That's like saying throwing a baseball in your backyard is basically the same thing as pitching for a major league team, so you should be given a few million dollars a year to throw balls in your backyard. There are many, many other factors here you've chosen to ignore, because ignoring them is the only way your half-assed argument even remotely holds together.


Reducing a game to clicking a button is not inconducive to debate so long as the game feature is in fact an intended feature and not a bug. It is however, deconstructive of your dogshit argument that that "omg pvm is, like, s0o0o0 hard! I click so much I'm entitled to retardedly huge margins!", and it's your only argument. It's been addressed and you're asshurt that I'm not in compliance with your worldview in tandem with the fact that my perspective is observable and objective, and you can't disprove me. I'm not igoring unlisted factors, I blatantly asked for them and if you could compose them in a formula. You instead choose to call me lazy/ignorant. I mean, I get jagex's backdoor and PvM's doodle have an identical swimmer count, and I get that it's probably not a coincidence at all, but for the love of God man you gotta pull out and let jagex get tested appropriately sometimes.

21-Mar-2019 13:15:51

Firebat
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A Vitalis said:
Jesus Christ you're dense. I'm pretty sure you know exactly what I'm talking about and you're just trying to be difficult, but in the end the specific numbers aren't even for me to define. That's down to the people developing the game. The point is PvM is undeniably more difficult than the majority of skilling methods, and objectively more intensive. Therefore, it makes perfect sense that it's much more profitable.

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I don't need to give you shit because honestly your entire sorry excuse for an argument is entirely founded on a demonstrable falsehood, but I did anyways so joke's on me I guess.


I've already addressed that I know what you're talking about and I'm in disagreement, and you cannot disprove my observable perspective outside of anecdotals of an elitist and entitled class of players (which isn't a viable argument). If the numbers aren't for you to define, why in the unyielding fuck are you coming to my thread and telling me "no, skillers shouldn't get what you're proposing" in direct opposition to what the fuck you just said? Also, I never said "skilling should be more profitable than PvM", you're just offended that I want a larger piece of the pie while calling jagex out on their tendency as of late to nerf anything that doesn't give constitution XP.

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Anyway, you've provided nothing of use here and incindiaries have been shared. I'm done engaging with you. Go praise PvM somewhere else. This issue didn't even really concern you until you made it about yourselves.

21-Mar-2019 13:25:18

Firebat
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Draco Burnz said:
Tenebri said:
there is no problem. there was one but it was fixed.


Yet the problem still exists that theres currently no way to get onyxs from skilling.

Why shouldnt there be?
In the interest of fairness, you can still get onyx from aquariums/construction, kingly implings/hunter, menaphite gifts/thief/tombs and meamorphic geodes/mining. That said, they're all very inconsistent, though I partially expect menaphite gifts to get nerfed next since there's a rare chance they can give like 10 onyx in a go.

I think the solutions I initially laid out should cover all facets of the issue at hand.

21-Mar-2019 13:41:37

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