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Aria Ventus
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Aria Ventus

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While the mining and smithing rework is one of those rare huge updates that has a lot of approval (me included), it turns out a lot of people had their banks shafted because of updates like this.

These people were uninformed that their equipment could turn into tokens. And they had no clue about the rework beta where jmods actively asked people to give feed back and inform them of bugs before release.

Is this because Jagex is out of touch with players?

Absolutely not.

Jagex, you’ve done your best on social media, youtube and even this official forum newsposts to warn players about the beta and the devaluing of rune alch value as they will be replaced by salvages that alch and disassemble better.

And in case some players never use forums at all you put in game messages about this upon login every day. Since that wasn’t enough, you went on an information advertisement overkill by having fanatics spamming the chat every second about the rework beta within 1m radius of any player.

Did it work? Apparently it didn’t. I acknowledge your efforts in informing as many players as you can, but you will always have people uninformed, whether because they haven’t returned until now or because they had a long irl event that they couldnt come back for this etc.

Whatever the reason for being uninformed, those fanatics only served to annoy players who were active during the beta and some complained about them on this forum before this rework became live. And yet we still have players who felt their banks were devalued by hoarding rune or lower tier metal items.

Jagex, in future, I’d suggest just leaving an in game message about a major update upon daily login. Going overkill has proved ineffective in this update.
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09-Jan-2019 04:16:35 - Last edited on 09-Jan-2019 06:00:46 by Aria Ventus

Melankaholic

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I mentioned this in another thread, maybe having a popup about the update when you access your bank/GE that reads "don't show me this message again, I understand I might lose millions of GP if I'm not careful with rune grade and below purchases after this update" and you can tick the box once you're in-the-know. This is just a rough idea of what it could say but at least you would have the chance to turn it off but have it in your face at the same time.

09-Jan-2019 04:33:37

Serene Steel
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Melankaholic said:
I mentioned this in another thread, maybe having a popup about the update when you access your bank/GE that reads "don't show me this message again, I understand I might lose millions of GP if I'm not careful with rune grade and below purchases after this update" and you can tick the box once you're in-the-know. This is just a rough idea of what it could say but at least you would have the chance to turn it off but have it in your face at the same time.


I'd be supportive of it.

I'm afraid that it most likely wouldn't do much though. People can be stubborn! :P
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09-Jan-2019 06:00:56

Flying Pies

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Just have a spammy daily popup that links to the rework info wiki and a disable option that says "I agree to risk losing literally anything and everything by closing this message and not reading the wiki." If you just say GP, somebody is surely going to complain about ruining their xp rate or something.

People who don't care to be informed will find all kinds of ways to end up not informed. The rest of the player base shouldn't have to get severely spammed just in an effort to inform a few people who really hate doing their own research and expect to be updated about really complex changes without doing any reading. Even if you shove the entire rework wiki in a popup window, somebody is still going to complain about not knowing it was happening because "there are too many popups/too many words so I just immediately close them every time" or something.

09-Jan-2019 09:40:06 - Last edited on 09-Jan-2019 09:43:21 by Flying Pies

Aria Ventus
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Aria Ventus

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Melankaholic said:
I mentioned this in another thread, maybe having a popup about the update when you access your bank/GE that reads "don't show me this message again, I understand I might lose millions of GP if I'm not careful with rune grade and below purchases after this update" and you can tick the box once you're in-the-know. This is just a rough idea of what it could say but at least you would have the chance to turn it off but have it in your face at the same time.


Yeah, it's fine to just leave the pop up upon daily log in as usual like you said. I like the warning message too, it's kind of funny :p

I'll look into the thread you mentioned too.
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09-Jan-2019 10:59:40

Aria Ventus
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Flying Pies said:
Just have a spammy daily popup that links to the rework info wiki and a disable option that says "I agree to risk losing literally anything and everything by closing this message and not reading the wiki." If you just say GP, somebody is surely going to complain about ruining their xp rate or something.

People who don't care to be informed will find all kinds of ways to end up not informed. The rest of the player base shouldn't have to get severely spammed just in an effort to inform a few people who really hate doing their own research and expect to be updated about really complex changes without doing any reading. Even if you shove the entire rework wiki in a popup window, somebody is still going to complain about not knowing it was happening because "there are too many popups/too many words so I just immediately close them every time" or something.


That is the problem with the fanatics. No matter the method to get the player base to know something, there will always be complaints that the update wasn't communicated to the player base well enough.

I really hope the next step wouldn't be as drastic as 'Players must play the beta and offer feedback or wait out the beta period before being able to log into the live game.'
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09-Jan-2019 11:03:05

Odeo
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None of the information type of events used before did their job.

But this takes a new level, This was just ignorance from many players who didn't bother.

There were plenty of streams, news posts and than the fanatics for over two years.

To act unaware of this is pretty dumb, Those who recently came back, should've read up on it instead of panicking.
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09-Jan-2019 11:25:24

Draco Burnz
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Odeo said:
None of the information type of events used before did their job.

But this takes a new level, This was just ignorance from many players who didn't bother.

There were plenty of streams, news posts and than the fanatics for over two years.

To act unaware of this is pretty dumb, Those who recently came back, should've read up on it instead of panicking.


Exactly.
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09-Jan-2019 11:35:15

Nex is Life
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Just gonna point out the fanatics spammed that there was a rework so much people stopped caring in the slightest and they didn't actually give out any information of how people would be affected.

The Mining & Smithing rework is nearly here!

Join us in the new year at the newly refurbished Artisans Workshop.

Mining will no longer be competitive, and you'll be able to mine valuable new tiers of ore. We've also lowered the mining requirements of the old ores to match their combat requirements.
Smithing has been reworked with new mechanics so that making equipment feels more like real smithing. You'll be able to make new tiers of gear with the new ores, make your own T90 power amour entirely through the smithing skill, and make untradeable armour spikes to boost you in combat.

Where does it mention that people's items would be changed/removed? Aria Ventus said:
Is this because Jagex is out of touch with players?
Yes.

They think everyone is going to go to r****t every day to keep up with their latest google docs (can they really think of no better way to present information?) and that the circlejerk there represents their entire playerbase.

I knew what was coming because I am one of the 4 people who look at these forums and found the semi-finalised design docs here 2 months ago (despite them existing for over a year), but if Jagex are going to remove items when compensation won't be equal and massively devalue certain items there needs to be an ingame warning beforehand.

Oh and the fact they thought competitive mining was a problem in RS3. Out of touch and seemingly Jagex can't remember all the best mining training methods and moneymakers they added were already non-competitive.
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09-Jan-2019 11:38:35

Ancient Zest
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NPC's is a stupid method to pass on information, I completely ignored them.
Why wouldn't I? They're annoying, they spam chat, your avatar says a really dumb cheesy line to them when you accidentally click on them as if you're a 5yo kid.

NPC's are background noise to me, I completely ignore NPCs in games.
I usually don't even read what they have to say durning a quest so I'm not about to click on a ranadom "fanatic"

Want to relay information to the players, do it properly.

09-Jan-2019 11:43:39 - Last edited on 09-Jan-2019 11:49:02 by Ancient Zest

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