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Daibhi
Sep Member 2017

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Solivagus said:
@Daibhi
"Assuming Jagex can split the reaper achievement amongst each tier then T3 can, theoretically, just be heavy loaded with genuinely insane bosses with complex and hard to master combat mechanics fitting for its intended audience - elitists. "

hahaha. no. it doesnt make you an "elitist" to be able to survive a solak kill. competent, sure, elitist, no. elite players get sub 10 minute solak kills, which last i checked wasnt an achievement. hell, the only proposed elite combat achievement ive even seen is a 1k enrage telos, which i think is rather cruel.

I dont even think jagex reads these, but please don't split the reaper achievement.

its not about the colour schemes, i know those are placeholders. Its about jamming excessive amounts of trim and completely unnecessary clutter on them.

Just as an example, how many people have you seen wearing the artisan, gatherers or support capes? what do all those have in common? excessive clutter. what do people wear instead? sleek, simple, minimalist, master skill capes.

what is a master skill cape? a single coloured strip of fabric with some basic trim and the skill icon with a small smoke trail leading off it. all the most popular capes have very simple designs, this shouldnt be ignored and i really think it is. simple is better, these are not.


Like I said to Aunty, you appear to be looking at this proposed newer system with the mentality of the existing system - Jagex, like I said, I think said they intend of more frequently updating/maintaining this new system when new content is added unlike what they do now.

Three years or more from now something infinitely more difficult than Solak might/will probably exist, which splitting reaper would/could theoretically facilitate without stepping on toes.

I understand what you're saying and I do agree, they are walking a thin line of going OTT with the designs, but compared to what exists now they are much better.

17-Apr-2019 13:36:38

Solivagus
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@Daibhi
I and i think a significant majority of completionists disagree. to illustrate that point, right now i am in the max guild, what are people wearing?

girl1: basic clothes
girl2: basic clothes, slayer cape
girl3: basic clothes, slayer cape
girl4: basic clothes
guy1: basic clothes
guy2: basic clothes, completionist cape (t)
guy3: tuxedo, master quest cape
guy4: combat gear, no cosmetics
guy5: basic clothes, completionist cape (t)

are you noticing a pattern here? people like simple.

to your post above, no, i was considering nightmare bosses being released when i said that. you have 6 months supposedly before you arent allowed to wear your cape. people should be able to figure it out after 6 months of guides are released.


edit: a bossing team just entered the guild, what are the 4 people all wearing? basic clothes, completionist capes, dyed weapons
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17-Apr-2019 13:45:15 - Last edited on 17-Apr-2019 13:47:54 by Solivagus

Mr Rey Ray
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The cape design is so ugly, I prefer the current comp/trim design.

Shelv this update, it isn't needed don't fix what isn't broken, Stop catering to lazy players.

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17-Apr-2019 13:53:27

Daibhi
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Solivagus said:
@Daibhi
I and i think a significant majority of completionists disagree. to illustrate that point, right now i am in the max guild, what are people wearing? (Examples cut for length) People like simple.

to your post above, no, i was considering nightmare bosses being released when i said that. you have 6 months supposedly before you arent allowed to wear your cape. people should be able to figure it out after 6 months of guides are released.

a bossing team just entered the guild, what are the 4 people all wearing? basic clothes, completionist capes, dyed weapons


While their views should be taken into consideration they shouldn't be treated as the gatekeepers for this rework because, well.. it's a rework.

Existing completionists are obviously going to be heavily in favour of this not happening because it'll make them actively have to work for the cape (which they currently don't have to do as Jagex has admitted to specifically not adding new tasks etc. because current completionists don't like it - supposedly due to the stats).

If all this rework would revolve around is an echo chamber for the players who currently own completionist capes then it'll achieve nothing - a compromise needs to be met here between non completionists and completionists because there's a much bigger issue here than their egos; which is holding older players attention after all these years with something to work towards in order to keep returning instead of quitting forever.

Just to clarify I'm not referring to those who have achieved them, they would be the minority in this scenario in comparison to the, very likely, majority of old players who can't and will never achieve it due to how the system currently works; which is when what I mentioned above comes into play. Once you max, you've done all quests and you can't do high end PVM? You're fucked in regards to having anything equivelent to comp to go for.

17-Apr-2019 14:00:51

ELITE STACK
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Mr Rey Ray said:
The cape design is so ugly, I prefer the current comp/trim design.

Shelv this update, it isn't needed don't fix what isn't broken, Stop catering to lazy players.

Listen to your players for once.




I can name a bunch of content that caters to lazy players. Treasure hunter, vic the trader afk skilling, lodestones, and many other things. We already have tons of content that caters to lazy players so what's the difference here?
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17-Apr-2019 14:04:32

Solivagus
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@Daibhi

"Existing completionists are obviously..."

Hi. Current achievement hunting completionist whose been playing for 15 years (90ish percent of all achievements done) here who will qualify for level 2 comp on day 1. I don't like or want this.
adding more achievements? cool! I don't think every achievement needs to be a requirement for a cape. This is a terrible idea. And yes, I really like my all in one swiss army knife cape having great stats. it's very convenient.

"if all this rework would revolve around is an echo chamber..."

If all the people who have taken the time out of their lives to beat the game are telling you to do something, and you actively choose to ignore them (many of those people being decade + long subscribers) that uh, doesn't sound like a recipe for success, it sounds like snubbing your base. if jagex doesn't want to listen to the people who have devoted thousands upon thousands of hours to their game, they're going to wind up with some pretty empty servers when all those new players they catered to at the cost of their long time players leave for another game.

on another note, they already have an echo chamber, its called reddit, also discord i guess. we have the official forums, which seems to be largely ignored, if they wanted actual player feedback on their designs, but they clearly don't. you have over 50 pages of scathing criticisms if you want to see what the players actually think about their ideas, but they seem to be completely ignored.

"Once you max, you've done all quests ...."

there are 2300 achievements, covering many thousands of hours of game play. if you are freshly maxed and finished the quests and you cant find something to do, this isn't the game for you.


"can't do high end PVM"

You *can't* do it, or you wont do it? there is no cant, you are choosing not to do it and expecting to be catered to over it. I have anxiety, an awful ping, am bad at pvm and still manage to kill bosses day 1 through sheer tenacity.
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17-Apr-2019 14:37:00 - Last edited on 17-Apr-2019 14:45:43 by Solivagus

Aunty Shark

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I don't want to do runescore achievements ever. I don't want to see different colour quest capes. I don't want comp cape to look like that and combat cape idgaf wouldn't be seen dead in it. Cant even make something nicer than a fire cape and what was that guy on about quest cape being crap? I'd have fired him on the spot. How are those capes even gonna work with long hair?

17-Apr-2019 14:55:36

Daibhi
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Solivagus said:
(cut for length because character limits the bane of my existence)

Hi. Current achievement hunting completionist whose been playing for 15 years (90ish percent of all achievements done) here who will qualify for level 2 comp on day 1. I don't like or want this.
adding more achievements? cool! I don't think every achievement needs to be a requirement for a cape. This is a terrible idea. And yes, I really like my all in one swiss army knife cape having great stats. it's very convenient.

There are 2300 achievements, covering many thousands of hours of game play. if you are freshly maxed and finished the quests and you cant find something to do, this isn't the game for you.

You *can't* do it, or you wont do it? there is no cant, you are choosing not to do it and expecting to be catered to over it. I have anxiety, an awful ping, am bad at pvm and still manage to kill bosses day 1 through sheer tenacity.

If all the people who have taken the time out of their lives to beat the game are telling you to do something, and you actively choose to ignore them (many of those people being decade + long subscribers) that uh, doesn't sound like a recipe for success, it sounds like snubbing your base.


I've been playing since RSC was the only version of this game, non completionist (for legitimate reasons - not laziness) and that likely won't change any time soon, if at all, so you're as close to the literal polar opposite to me we can probably get. I'll be 27 on the 5th of May, for context regarding my age.

I agree finding the perfect balance and method to determine would/should realistically be a comp req. is going to be a headache for Jagex unless they just go with the "fuck it" option and steamroll ahead with the "it's everything or nothing" mentality. But I do think the system should be regularly maintained and added to, just because of the nature of the cape and what it provides in the long term.

17-Apr-2019 15:39:07 - Last edited on 17-Apr-2019 15:42:04 by Daibhi

Daibhi
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As I mentioned earlier I would be one of these players you're placing on a pedestal simply based on how long we've played the game. This shouldn't be the end all be all of what people like us say because, clearly, we have differing opinions (or at least it initially appears that way) regarding this topic.

While I did originally mention and refer to "older" players, just let me further clarify this is for right now as I would like to think in 5 or 10 years from now I likely won't still be playing this - so this won't apply to everyone playing right now but, if by some miracle, Jagex can pull off the impossible and revive RS to its former self - this rework will have a long lasting effect for decades to come for newer generations of players (right now I think there's currently three generations playing this now).

I don't necessarily agree that the pinned forum threads are being ignored by Jagex. Yes, of course no one from Jagex has really publicly acknowledged anything within these threads (from what I've seen), but I do think they are reading these - just not commenting on them.

While you are technically correct the only achievements that truely matter to the community are those revolving around the comp system. Why? Not all of those achievements have any worthwhile rewards or point to doing other than what.. increasing your runescore - which has what use/purpose?

Obviously there are things to do after maxing and completing all quests and that's not really what I'm saying but compared to the structure that a player once had when they were maxing/completing all quests? That's all but non existent within the game, officialy speaking.

17-Apr-2019 15:39:14

Daibhi
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Daibhi

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Regarding the difference between "can't do/won't do" I can use myself for this. In 1995, when I was three years old I was hit by a red pergeot 104/105 doing 60MPH outside my great, great grannies house - I broke one of my legs (it healed) and was blessed with a TBI for the rest of my life; more specifically frontal lobe cortex brain damage. There's a reason why they call these invisible disabilities, unless I upright tell you chances are you'd be clueless I had this because on the outside I may appear to look "normal".

Long story short, while there is obviously a very clear difference between can't do/won't do there are scenarios where it is 100% true that some legitimately cannot do something for a muliple variable different reasons and then there's the actual lazy people who don't want to something because they don't want to put in the effort.

Depending on your reading comprehension you may or may not be able to differentiate the difference in meaning between these two sayings and just outright say well "you're obviously just being lazy". I'm not and I'm also not a masochist either, so I don't continue to smash my head against a brick wall in the hopes of eventually getting through it when it's clear not matter what I do that'll never happen which is what high end PVM is becoming like - I know when I'm beat and can't do something.

Araxxor is my wall, I just can't do it when attempting it - I've tried multiple times and the outcome is the same. Tried the acid path, P1 is fair enough, P2 is when it gets hairy for me personally. I then went on to try the light path and I can get to P3 but at that point I end up forgetting everything I was meaning to remember in order to get to the last phase.

17-Apr-2019 15:39:21

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