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Resylt
Jul Gold Premier Club Member 2014

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Dramatic opener: I got lured for 2.4b yesterday.

2 shadow dyes.
Zaros Godsword.
50 Razorback Gauntlets
25 Torva Full Helms

That was literally my entire tradeable bank, except for about 200m. I had so much stashed and prepared for the t92 elite release next week for melee.

It was because of a bug in the game and my own dumbassery. Seriously though, before anyone sarcastically posts it below in response, I take responsibility for being a dumbass. Over 80% of my anger is at myself for being absolutely stupid enough to fall for it.

Then about 10% at the players responsible.

And then the remaining 10% at Jagex. Here's why:

1.) Everywhere I'm reading is telling me that I won't get my stuff back. Even though it could be argued that it's largely Jagex's fault, because this particular scam/lure is only possible due to a bug in the game.

2.) You don't do enough to get rid of scammers/lurers. You have a self-help article that people find -after- being scammed, that tells them what to look out for. You know damn well that nobody cruises all the self-help articles before playing the game.

What you guys should have in place.
An actual team of mods to directly report to, to determine exactly what happened during the scam/lure. These people should be allowed to communicate directly with the reporting player(s) to:

a) Fully grasp how the scam/lure happened.
b) Determine whether or not the player lost the items due to a technical bug, and compensate as necessary.
c) Immediately take care of any malicious players involved, before they have a chance to scam/lure again.


You guys have the tech to reconstruct/replay exactly what happened to a player on a given day, at any given time.

Your logs surely have the capability to report the players position, what they were wearing, their inventory, their conversations, etc.

You could take that info and play a given segment of a player's gameplay to determine how rules were broken.

Why don't you?

31-Dec-2018 13:12:22 - Last edited on 02-Jan-2019 17:32:33 by Resylt

Tenebri
Jan Gold Premier Club Member 2015

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youve said that is jagex's fault? but havent said how.



either way jagex wont give back stuff. only if their employee was the hacker ;)

you can rant moan bitch cry. youve already taken responsibility anyway

there are many applications with in game to stop scamming / lures. if it sounds too good to be true then it most likely is. trust no one
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31-Dec-2018 15:03:35 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2018 15:05:08 by Tenebri

Kings Abbot

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What about the Account Security Week they do approximately two times a year? That tells players not to do stupid stuff with their account, including falling for scams. And players get rewards for participating in the event. The RS Wiki needs a hand, and Bwian's will gladly take the rest of your body!
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This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

31-Dec-2018 16:39:48 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2018 16:39:55 by Kings Abbot

Resylt
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Resylt

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Tenebri said:
youve said that is jagex's fault? but havent said how.



either way jagex wont give back stuff. only if their employee was the hacker ;)

you can rant moan bitch cry. youve already taken responsibility anyway

there are many applications with in game to stop scamming / lures. if it sounds too good to be true then it most likely is. trust no one


The lure was possible because of a bug. The players position was spoofed until it was too late.

On my screen they were standing right next to me. However when I clicked to interact with them, their position updated to about 10 paces away, out of the safe zone, into the wilderness.

This is a bug that people are currently exploiting to lure people. You're tricked into believing that you're 100% safe, and it's a visual glitch.

"you can rant moan bitch cry. youve already taken responsibility anyway" . I lost 2.4b. I deserve to be angry. People like you, with these types of comments, are part of the problem by encouraging/supporting Jagex's apathy when they have the power to do more.


Kings Abbot said:
What about the Account Security Week they do approximately two times a year? That tells players not to do stupid stuff with their account, including falling for scams. And players get rewards for participating in the event.


Except these types of events do not outline types of scams. In this particular case, it seemed 100% safe, until the offender abused a visual glitch.

I was literally standing in a safe zone, with zero intention of crossing over into an attackable area, and then the glitch that they exploited moved me into the attackable area. This should not happen. and I sure as hell should not be met with a "tough luck, kid" by the developers of the game that caused the glitch that was able to be abused in the first place.

31-Dec-2018 17:30:23 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2018 18:09:22 by Resylt

Tenebri
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what did they promise you in return for whatever it was you were doing?

you decided to trust these people. even though they could only trade right next to wilderness? or a unsafe zone? why not be like can we do this trade in ge?

this is obvious scam no matter what they promised you. and as much as i am anti scam / lure. this is your fault 100% not partly

youve been in game enough time to realise this. so they must have been offering a lot in return for you to take that risk next to a unsafe zone (which you know it had to be there for this transaction to take place)

tick manipulation isnt a bug. its actually used a lot in skilling
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31-Dec-2018 18:37:04 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2018 18:40:22 by Tenebri

Resylt
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Reply Part One:
Tenebri said:
what did they promise you in return for whatever it was you were doing?

you decided to trust these people. even though they could only trade right next to wilderness? or a unsafe zone? why not be like can we do this trade in ge?

this is obvious scam no matter what they promised you. and as much as i am anti scam / lure. this is your fault 100% not partly

youve been in game enough time to realise this. so they must have been offering a lot in return for you to take that risk next to a unsafe zone (which you know it had to be there for this transaction to take place)

tick manipulation isnt a bug. its actually used a lot in skilling


Then why have the safe portion of the wilderness in the first place?

The first 3-4 spots you cannot be attacked in.

This was not tick manipulation. The dude stood there for a good 20 seconds before I did interacted with him, and literally all I did was right-click -> trade.

As soon as I did that, it shot me out about 10 steps to where he actually was.

The dude was holding something in his hands, and this somehow allowed his location to be glitched. Some kind of map.

I didn't trust them. I trusted someone that I thought was a friend. Someone that had been on my friend's list for about a month to a month and a half, and whom I had regular, friendly conversations with. He had apparently been there the whole time just to scout me.

He convinced me that he had been "scamming lurers." Showed me how he "did it." I figured it was easy money, and it was enticing because I felt I'd get to stick it to lurers for once.

He said all I had to do was make sure not to leave the safe zone, which seemed logical because that's the whole reason the damn thing is there in the first place.

The lurer was doing a "giveaway." I went into it knowing the whole thing was meant to be a scam, but I thought I was wiser to it, and

31-Dec-2018 19:19:44

Resylt
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Reply Part Two:

Tenebri said:
what did they promise you in return for whatever it was you were doing?

you decided to trust these people. even though they could only trade right next to wilderness? or a unsafe zone? why not be like can we do this trade in ge?

this is obvious scam no matter what they promised you. and as much as i am anti scam / lure. this is your fault 100% not partly

youve been in game enough time to realise this. so they must have been offering a lot in return for you to take that risk next to a unsafe zone (which you know it had to be there for this transaction to take place)

tick manipulation isnt a bug. its actually used a lot in skilling


would just teleport away after a certain point.

As soon as I clicked "Trade" to get the "giveaway" items from him, it moved me out into the wilderness to where he actually was...which was about 10 steps away, behind a tree. And then I got jumped before I could get back.

There was a good 10-20 second pause after he started holding the item in his hands, before I clicked trade, so no, it's not tick manipulation. It's a bug exploit.

I'd appreciate it if people like you would stop trying to chastise others, who ignorantly fell for something like this.

I should not have to explain myself to avoid being berated by someone who just feels like belittling others just to make themselves feel better, instead of focusing on the actual problems and how to solve them.

"Tough shit" doesn't solve anything.

If I need to explain my side of things to contribute to the solution, or to give constructive details to why it happened, then sure. But I shouldn't have to act like I need to defend myself about it. It was an ignorant mistake, and it doesn't change what rules were broken, nor what enabled the rule breaking.

31-Dec-2018 19:21:34 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2018 19:28:11 by Resylt

Whatusaytome

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Resylt said:
Reply Part Two:

Tenebri said:
what did they promise you in return for whatever it was you were doing?

you decided to trust these people. even though they could only trade right next to wilderness? or a unsafe zone? why not be like can we do this trade in ge?

this is obvious scam no matter what they promised you. and as much as i am anti scam / lure. this is your fault 100% not partly

tick manipulation isnt a bug. its actually used a lot in skilling


As soon as I clicked "Trade" to get the "giveaway" items from him, it moved me out into the wilderness to where he actually was...which was about 10 steps away, behind a tree. And then I got jumped before I could get back.

There was a good 10-20 second pause after he started holding the item in his hands, before I clicked trade, so no, it's not tick manipulation. It's a bug exploit.

I'd appreciate it if people like you would stop trying to chastise others, who ignorantly fell for something like this.

I should not have to explain myself to avoid being berated by someone who just feels like belittling others just to make themselves feel better, instead of focusing on the actual problems and how to solve them.

"Tough shit" doesn't solve anything.

If I need to explain my side of things to contribute to the solution, or to give constructive details to why it happened, then sure. But I shouldn't have to act like I need to defend myself about it. It was an ignorant mistake, and it doesn't change what rules were broken, nor what enabled the rule breaking.
this 100%

Unfortunately I have a 2 year old thread suggesting they update the rules of the game primarily about scamming which Jagex has done and said nothing about. So I wouldn't expect much tbh..
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01-Jan-2019 10:21:54

Kings Abbot

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The Wilderness is a dangerous place, as the warning screen says when you want to cross the wall. It is nowhere safe behind that wall, no matter the first "safe" line of tiles.

The moment they say you need to be in the safe zone of the Wilderness, thousands of bells should start ringing in your head: this stinks!

Also, don't trust people who are on your friend list if you don't know them in real life (and even then).
I had a friend I didn't know in real life for some years, he hadn't logged in for a while, and when he was back, he started talking about money. He wanted to know how much I had and if I wanted more. He said he'd do it for me on my account and wanted my login info, but I refused, saying that I wasn't in short need of money and that I could earn it myself if I really wanted to, but he just kept insisting. He even became angry because I didn't seem to trust him. It was then that I knew for sure he couldn't be trusted. He logged out later and I never saw him back. I think I reported him, but it was so long ago that I'm not sure about that anymore.
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This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

01-Jan-2019 15:54:14

Resylt
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Whatusaytome said:
this 100%

Unfortunately I have a 2 year old thread suggesting they update the rules of the game primarily about scamming which Jagex has done and said nothing about. So I wouldn't expect much tbh..


Thanks for the support. I appreciate it.

They need to do something about it...it's crazy how nonchalant attitude people get from Jagex about things like this. Getting pointed to self-help articles with canned responses, as if people read all of those articles before playing.

Even if it were like a one-strike system of sorts :P

"okay, we'll help you this one time, since it's your first time, but after this, you get scammed? oh well."

01-Jan-2019 15:58:26

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