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Liebster
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Hiya,

this will be a very controversial discussion I guess but I think it's a good suggestion. Many forumers want more players to join the forums. Jagex wants the same. At this point I maybe should mention that I'm in a way fine with how it is at the moment but if we want more players to join the forums, the forums should give xp in RuneScape.

This may sound like bribing and could result in more spam posts. But that's only one small side of the coin. Please really think about my idea before you post.

Many players are grinding XP, this means many players do train their skills the best possible way in order to get as many xp as fast as possible. For these players the forums aren't attractive at all. Posting here would mean wasting time that can be better used to gain xp.

I'd suggest that there's a points system and you can swap once a month the points into ingame XP (lamps/books). Hidden posts, rule breaking posts and bans give negative points - bad, average, good and outstanding posts give points depending on quality. That's the basic idea.



Who will decide which posts have which quality?
Fmods get buttons next to each post and the majority vote of fmods determines the points you get. Maybe also community helpers should get a button as well. This restriktion needs to be in place in order to avoid people from asking their friends to vote for their posts as outstanding when they are not. For each vote the fmod gets a small amount of points.

What's with the FMods?
FMods get a fixed amount of points for each post plus the voting points.

Will there be exceptions?
Yes, the forum games forum will give less points than the other forums since you can easily post there (e.g. Count to 50 b4 a mod posts).
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19-Dec-2018 11:55:47 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2018 12:11:05 by Liebster

Liebster
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What will be the rewards?
You can choose between 3 things. One is an xp lamped that gives fixed xp for a fixed number of posts in a skill which you can choose. An other is an XP lamp for the depending on your level which you can also use for every skill. The third is invention Xp. The fixed Xp shall be the best way to train every skill to level 30 (for the noobs). The invention XP shall be the best way to reach a medium level in invention (e.g. 60).

Can I get items through the forums for free?
No.

Won't there then be lots of people just trying to post anything?
In a way yes. But since spam posts don't give much xp and good posts give way more xp than bad posts people will think before they post. There will be threads brought up that no forumer thought about before since he or she never was in need to post anything.

What are the advantages?
There are lots of them.
- Revived forums
- better feedback, maybe even representable feedback
- better customer support (since many forumers will lurk in the Community Led Help section since it's easy XP)
- better customer loyality (since not only the people that are addicted to RS and know everything will join the forums but also noobs who maybe even don't know what Jagex is),
- better community (more players will learn about the rules and safety and will contribute to the community)
- more fairness (I've spent more time on the (german) forums than in game. I might know about certain topics more than a high level and I never got any reward besides the fun.)
- all information will be available on the forums (if a jmod posts important info on twitter then fastly a player will post it on the forums since it's easy XP)
- more players knowing about scamming and account security
- revived language subforums
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19-Dec-2018 11:56:00 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2018 12:13:49 by Liebster

Liebster
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What will be the disadvantages?
- Someone will need to guide new players
- There will be a lot more work for the FMod team to do
- More Spam (that will be limited because it doesn't give xp)
- The xp need to be good balanced
- Jagex needs more staff for the forums

Isn't that bribing?
No, it's not. It's simply rewarding community work. Players that spend lots of time on the forums and create good threads or make good posts don't get anything in return for now.

Wouldn't it be unfair if FMods got a reward for their work and pmods don't?
No, it wouldn't be. Pmods can play the game as normal as they please. An active Fmod needs to spare time for the forums. This would be the reward for that. A reward that you can also get as a normal player.



This is my point of view for now. You may now post and let's get into discussion. I'm already tickled.

Cheers
Liebster

Edit: An other explanation of this thread can be found on page 2 or just click here.

Edit2: It has been suggested that for each new forum rank you get XP. Then only the postcount mattered on the one hand on the other there wouldn't be a need for anyone to read every post or to recruit new Fmods prior to the update. :)
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19-Dec-2018 11:56:00 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2018 17:22:46 by Liebster

Louiellen

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Liebster said:



Who will decide which posts have which quality?
Fmods get buttons next to each post and the majority vote of fmods determines the points you get. Maybe also community helpers should get a button as well. This restriktion needs to be in place in order to avoid people from asking their friends to vote for their posts as outstanding when they are not. For each vote the fmod gets a small amount of points.

What's with the FMods?
FMods get a fixed amount of points for each post plus the voting points.


No way, we don't want this.

Besides, if you think 33 fmods are a lot to make this suggestion feasible - think again. Not all 33 of us are online at the same time, in fact, not even half of us are online at the same time. Our lack of quorum alone will not make this barely viable. Also, the most important reason why I disagree with this, we don't need more forum powers. In fact, through the years, we have lost a lot of power over this board, as the forum rules became lenient.

19-Dec-2018 13:14:08

Liebster
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Hi,

Louiellen said:

No way, we don't want this.

Besides, if you think 33 fmods are a lot to make this suggestion feasible - think again. Not all 33 of us are online at the same time, in fact, not even half of us are online at the same time. Our lack of quorum alone will not make this barely viable. Also, the most important reason why I disagree with this, we don't need more forum powers. In fact, through the years, we have lost a lot of power over this board, as the forum rules became lenient.


The problem with the number of Fmods will only occure during the launch. And this is not about FMods having forum power. If this is the problem then maybe every user with 1k posts+ or 10k+ posts should be able to vote. The reason why I wrote that Fmods should decide which posts have which quality is the fact that there needs to be a qualified vote.

Cheers!
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19-Dec-2018 13:20:05

UrekMazino
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Liebster said:
Many players are grinding XP, this means many players do train their skills the best possible way in order to get as many xp as fast as possible. For these players the forums aren't attractive at all. Posting here would mean wasting time that can be better used to gain xp.

Wrong, even the most efficient players would do afk training occasionally and have the chance to play forums. The reason why forums have such low activity is because its interface is getting old, you get logged off after a while, the rules are adhered to so strictly that many trolls have found ways to circumvent being banned, and with no sort of voting systems the dumb posts don't get filtered out (of course, a voting system wouldn't make sense for forums too, but I think that the problem is that the rules may be too rigid or outdated, allowing troll posts/comments to occupy space of other more legit posts).

Plus, there are other social media platforms that not only have more modern UI but also have more interaction with Jmods.

Edit: Forgot to add question: So why would people choose to keep using forums when other platforms are far superior?
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19-Dec-2018 13:39:56 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2018 13:40:35 by UrekMazino

Liebster
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Hiya

UrekMazino said:

Wrong, even the most efficient players would do afk training occasionally and have the chance to play forums. The reason why forums have such low activity is because its interface is getting old, you get logged off after a while, the rules are adhered to so strictly that many trolls have found ways to circumvent being banned, and with no sort of voting systems the dumb posts don't get filtered out (of course, a voting system wouldn't make sense for forums too, but I think that the problem is that the rules may be too rigid or outdated, allowing troll posts/comments to occupy space of other more legit posts).

Plus, there are other social media platforms that not only have more modern UI but also have more interaction with Jmods.

Edit: Forgot to add question: So why would people choose to keep using forums when other platforms are far superior?


I know all these points. But I also know many players who even don't know that the forums exist. And the xp would be the reason why people are staying here and then there would be more JMod interaction on the forums.


Cheers
Liebster
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