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FailurGaming
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These recent updates have done nothing but cater to people who are lazy yet feel rather entitled. For example, the crash-free instances seem to have been created for those who are incapable of competing in an MMO with limited resources and worlds yet seemingly unlimited players (judging from the growth of this game). Furthermore, the drop tables spam dropping resources seem to be catered to those who are too lazy to skill. It'd be understandable if there was risk in any PvM, but that's not the case. So why is Jagex catering to these groups so extensively? Discuss. Keep spite voting and wondering why PKer updates need to be forced in plz.

10-Mar-2019 17:39:41

Couldbeworse
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Aside from the combat, RS3 isn't a terrible version. Someday, the graphics in 07 will unfortunately be the only noticeable difference between the two games at this rate.

Entitlement and laziness is a spreading trait in society, not just videogames. Do expect it to continue and worsen. Play the game for you and enjoy the achievements you've made on your own terms.

Keep your head up, champ.
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10-Mar-2019 17:57:33 - Last edited on 10-Mar-2019 17:58:06 by Couldbeworse

Draco Burnz
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Couldbeworse said:
Aside from the combat, RS3 isn't a terrible version. Someday, the graphics in 07 will unfortunately be the only noticeable difference between the two games at this rate.

Entitlement and laziness is a spreading trait in society, not just videogames. Do expect it to continue and worsen. Play the game for you and enjoy the achievements you've made on your own terms.

Keep your head up, champ.


Agreed.

Well said :)
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10-Mar-2019 18:00:01

FeSimba
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Couldbeworse said:
Aside from the combat, RS3 isn't a terrible version. Someday, the graphics in 07 will unfortunately be the only noticeable difference between the two games at this rate.

Entitlement and laziness is a spreading trait in society, not just videogames. Do expect it to continue and worsen. Play the game for you and enjoy the achievements you've made on your own terms.

Keep your head up, champ.

Nicely put

10-Mar-2019 18:12:02

FailurGaming
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Draco Burnz said:
Couldbeworse said:
Aside from the combat, RS3 isn't a terrible version. Someday, the graphics in 07 will unfortunately be the only noticeable difference between the two games at this rate.

Entitlement and laziness is a spreading trait in society, not just videogames. Do expect it to continue and worsen. Play the game for you and enjoy the achievements you've made on your own terms.

Keep your head up, champ.


Agreed.

Well said :)


Gotcha. That makes sense imo.
Keep spite voting and wondering why PKer updates need to be forced in plz.

10-Mar-2019 20:54:11

FisherGaming

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Without getting too political, I think it's because we've raised a generation of entitled children who were never told no and were never raised to have a work ethic.

The instances doesn't seem like entitlement to me. Entitlement is believing you are inherently deserving of special treatment, so the fact everyone can do the instanced content would mean they're not really entitled for asking for it.

I think there's a fair debate to be had over whether instances are good for the game or not. On one hand, being crashed is really annoying, and it puts players off. It makes the community feel toxic and pushes players away from the game, since not everyone really wants to be "competing" at all times. Sometimes people just want to play a game and have fun. Also, many of the competitive parts of the game still exist in instanced content: world firsts, fastest kills, most impressive kills, etc.

On the other hand, instances basically create an infinite number of monsters, and if those monsters are really profitable, it can really wreck the economy (see: Zulrah). I think that's more of a problem with the drop tables than instances, though. You could have instanced PvM content and still have balanced drops.

I absolutely agree that PvM should have some risk, though. Adding a death fee to Zulrah would be a great first step. Adding death fees/penalties for dying out in the open world would be good, too.

However, I think difficulty is a good enough barrier most of the time. You don't need content to be both extremely difficult and extremely risky. I suppose you could have content like that if you want only a handful of people to ever do the content successfully.

Jagex would have to design content specifically with that in mind. Currently, I think they design content to be relatively accessible to everyone, because ultimately they want everyone playing their game to be able to experience and enjoy the content they spend hundreds of hours making.
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11-Mar-2019 07:53:22

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But by your logic, grinding can also push players away from the game since no one wants to grind all the time yet that's what this game is about. I'll keep it brief with that before this turns into another convoluted rant again.

Drops should be nerfed alongside instances removed not existing anywhere but Raids (because there's no way around instances there). Allowing unlimited instances just floods uniques (and whatever else is on that drop table) into the game.

Difficulty is a factor with risk being another. And then there's xp/hr, gp/hr, AFKability, fun, and others out there. You gotta mess around with a bunch of them to attain balanced content.
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12-Mar-2019 08:22:11

Iron Robsham
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Zoodberg said:
But by your logic, grinding can also push players away from the game since no one wants to grind all the time yet that's what this game is about. I'll keep it brief with that before this turns into another convoluted rant again.

Drops should be nerfed alongside instances removed not existing anywhere but Raids (because there's no way around instances there). Allowing unlimited instances just floods uniques (and whatever else is on that drop table) into the game.

Difficulty is a factor with risk being another. And then there's xp/hr, gp/hr, AFKability, fun, and others out there. You gotta mess around with a bunch of them to attain balanced content.


You don't like instances, and you like the concept of competition that allows griefing and bullying people out of limited spots, a concept that significantly hurts people with limited play time in peak hours. That's fine, a perfectly legitimate position to hold. But many people disagree with it. So let's put removing instances to a poll and see what happens. lol.
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12-Mar-2019 09:56:33 - Last edited on 12-Mar-2019 09:58:15 by Iron Robsham

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"Without getting too political, I think it's because we've raised a generation of entitled children who were never told no and were never raised to have a work ethic." - FisherGaming

I agree with this man.

12-Mar-2019 11:41:56 - Last edited on 12-Mar-2019 11:42:17 by Frog Home

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FisherGaming said:
Without getting too political, I think it's because we've raised a generation of entitled children who were never told no and were never raised to have a work ethic.

Is a work ethic not meant for work, whilst a game is meant to be fun?

I could be wrong here.
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12-Mar-2019 12:30:38

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