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It's obviously clear by now that PvP is broken is so many ways, from the idea of " going low " where players' don't eat to their full Hitpoints, to being ganged by 20 + heads in multi & what overhead protection prayers have done. It's a system that just doesn't work properly.

& it'll never become anything more than it is, I believe this is the main reason why Andrew Gower bounced from the development side when he understood the Rs2 engine wasn't going to offer what the Classic engine he built could.

In Classic, players' were encouraged to eat to their full Hitpoints, " going low " would have just been considered madness, the same with the effects of multiple players attacking one player, they could simply only mage & if the spells hit on the same tick, only one spell would take effect. Same went with Range, that could also be completely negated by the Protection from missiles prayer.

There was more " meat on the bone " in a sense, it wasn't a 1-tick-SpecScape. Players had to run their opponent out of food for deep Wilderness pking ( remembering that Classic only offered walking ) & on rare occasions a 3 hit death may occur.

There really isn't much further PvP can be pushed in Old School, the max Dps has been reached, & D.M.M is just a joke, why would people spend so long on an account to max it, when 99 Defence will just be torn apart by a Clan?

& the Combat triangle will never be balanced in Old School like it was in Classic, sure a mage wants to hit the same as someone with a pair of Dragon Claws, yet they would only be risking a handful of runes.

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If PvP was to be removed from Old School, in its place, Classic should be reloaded & worked on to finish it into a completed product.

It's still RuneScape, yet the version that made PvP for what it was always meant to be.

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12-Mar-2019 01:32:44 - Last edited on 12-Mar-2019 01:38:32 by Emperor Dupe

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Kieren has acknowledged this and the fact that they've never really given this vital part of the game the attention it deserves. Let's hope it goes somewhere. L2PK nubnubs. Can't do that? L2escape nubnubs. Can't do that either? L2not enter the wilderness nubnubs.

12-Mar-2019 08:16:25

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Zoodberg said:
Kieren has acknowledged this and the fact that they've never really given this vital part of the game the attention it deserves. Let's hope it goes somewhere.

It's too late, 6 years on & it is evidently clear that the game was never going to go in the direction that was promised.

I just wonder why, out of all the M.M.Os available, none seem to have a 3 hit system like Classic had.
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12-Mar-2019 08:48:33

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Too little, way too late. If anything they could make a new game, which I doubt will happen. Or they could bring back the RSC servers, which is also not likely.
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12-Mar-2019 09:01:20

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Graceplace said:
If anything they could make a new game,

I think with the overall mentality at Jagex, it'd just turn into another PvM shit-fest, unless of course, a few development team members sought to make their own project.
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12-Mar-2019 09:45:00

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I agree with giving PvPers their own game where they call the shots and everything is catered to them. A lot of the animosity around here is generated by ramming PvPers and PvMers together despite them being clearly incompatible. I'm not convinced a PvP focused version of RS could ever attain a large enough player base to sustain itself, but it would be worth a try. Anyone that wants catering to make ironman easier should be renamed wannabe-man and have their ironman icon replaced with a dunce hat.

12-Mar-2019 10:07:01

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Iron Robsham said:
A lot of the animosity around here is generated by ramming PvPers and PvMers together despite them being clearly incompatible.

I disagree with this statement, & PvP, PvM & Skilling all were married together almost perfectly in Classic. Yet in Old School in its current state, there's almost no need for most players to enter the Wilderness, where as in Classic the best resources were found in the Wilderness.
Iron Robsham said:

I'm not convinced a PvP focused version of RS could ever attain a large enough player base to sustain itself, but it would be worth a try.

It wouldn't have to be PvP focused, just a PvP system that a death isn't just 0.6 seconds away, nor a system where players either go low on their Hitpoints, or don't use all the mechanics available, ie protection prayers.

Deep Wilderness & Castle ( Dark Warriors Fortress ) pking encouraged players to use the protection from missiles prayer, & players were never wrecked in a single tick by 20 + heads.

There was a reasonable level of balance.

Even in the best Defensive gear in Old School, a player will have no change against 20 + heads, which makes taking decent gear to protect the player in, obsolete.
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12-Mar-2019 10:47:37

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Emperor Dupe said:
Iron Robsham said:
A lot of the animosity around here is generated by ramming PvPers and PvMers together despite them being clearly incompatible.

I disagree with this statement, & PvP, PvM & Skilling all were married together almost perfectly in Classic. Yet in Old School in its current state, there's almost no need for most players to enter the Wilderness, where as in Classic the best resources were found in the Wilderness.


I'm honestly not trying to start yet another pvp vs anti-pvp flame war here, but you clearly don't understand the people that don't like pvp. Do you really think coming up with more op content designed to force people that don't like pvp into a situation where they have to play the part of helpless pray to a predator is not going to generate animosity? Sure, the predators probably think the food chain is great fun, but try looking at it from the perspective of the poor sods that you want to set up to be killed and looted over and over again.
Anyone that wants catering to make ironman easier should be renamed wannabe-man and have their ironman icon replaced with a dunce hat.

12-Mar-2019 11:38:38

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Iron Robsham said:
I'm honestly not trying to start yet another pvp vs anti-pvp flame war here, but you clearly don't understand the people that don't like pvp.

That's because they were given an alternative route, if that road was never made available, the game would've only attracted a certain player-base.

& that's not to type that the player-base that would've been attracted would have been likely small in size, Classic was proof of this.
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12-Mar-2019 12:27:58

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Emperor Dupe said:
Iron Robsham said:
I'm honestly not trying to start yet another pvp vs anti-pvp flame war here, but you clearly don't understand the people that don't like pvp.

That's because they were given an alternative route, if that road was never made available, the game would've only attracted a certain player-base.

& that's not to type that the player-base that would've been attracted would have been likely small in size, Classic was proof of this.


Well yes, you're absolutely right, but what game dev, when presented with the opportunity to choose between a very small player base and a very large player base, is going to choose the small one? That's why a separate PvP focused game running parallel to the main OSRS is the best solution imo, though I doubt it will ever happen.
Anyone that wants catering to make ironman easier should be renamed wannabe-man and have their ironman icon replaced with a dunce hat.

12-Mar-2019 13:36:40

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