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Heptapus

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Hello,

I thought of this the other night after making a new account and realizing I needed 7 QP to use the GE. I was wondering.. why stop it there when the real problem is drop trading/trading between accounts?

Most bots currently, from my knowledge of seeing 50+ logged into one remote location spam-drop trading items, are made and banned in a relatively quick time frame. They go through tutorial island, hard focus a skill, then drop trade the items to a master account that sells all the items for the gold.

SO.. I was thinking, why not make it so accounts with less than 7, or possibly even 10 quest points are unable to drop trade or trade between accounts? Have it so items simply won't show up for people under that requirement, and unable to trade as well.

This would not only GREATLY hinder largescale botter's abilities to come into the game quickly and amass materials to drop trade before being banned, but also could allow for easier systems to heavily monitor the quests that would be generally used to acquire said 7-10 quest points needed to start trading/drop trading.

It could even be taken a step further and have the items bought for early quests unable to be bought on the GE before the QP req (i.e. materials for doric's quest, goblin mail, etc.), thus ensuring they'd need to be gathered by the bots, giving a larger window to catch them as well.

I don't think this will make early questing and getting into the game harder for newer players, but I think it will result in a much easier ban-rate of would be bots, and help the economy drastically. This could also allow skilling materials to stop needing to be dropped from PvM to combat bots, and bring back way more viable methods to make money through skilling.

All in all, I don't think 7-10 quests points should be difficult for newer players to achieve when coming into the game, friends can still help their friends with early quests, and bots will have a way more difficult time getting through en-masse.

31-Jan-2019 05:22:26 - Last edited on 31-Jan-2019 05:25:39 by Heptapus

FisherGaming

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Heptapus said:
why not make it so accounts with less than 7, or possibly even 10 quest points are unable to... trade between accounts?
This is already the case.

Drop trading is possible, I think, so maybe that could be fixed.

Also, this won't stop bots at all.

Bots can complete quests. 7 QP isn't difficult (literally two quests, 10 minutes at most). Not all bots care about trading. Many bots are used to train skills. This won't stop bots for accounts with 7 QP or membership.

I'm not going to say "no support," because it doesn't hurt to fix an oversight in trade restrictions, but it won't solve the problem.
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31-Jan-2019 05:40:54

Heptapus

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FisherGaming said:
Heptapus said:
why not make it so accounts with less than 7, or possibly even 10 quest points are unable to... trade between accounts?
This is already the case.

Drop trading is possible, I think, so maybe that could be fixed.

Also, this won't stop bots at all.

Bots can complete quests. 7 QP isn't difficult (literally two quests, 10 minutes at most). Not all bots care about trading. Many bots are used to train skills. This won't stop bots for accounts with 7 QP or membership.

I'm not going to say "no support," because it doesn't hurt to fix an oversight in trade restrictions, but it won't solve the problem.


10 minutes if the items are all bought from the GE, sure. If they have to actually gather the items themself, I imagine it'd be a longer process, not to mention possible coding changes to better detect early level quest botters. This is also why I said possibly 10 QP req to make it even lengthier.

Also what I'm referencing here is less a fix to higher level/membered bots, and more a fix to the absurd amount of level 3s running around F2P destroying any decent options to make money there.

It just adds some extra steps to more easily spot them before they really get into the game and start farming, plus like I said, there's coding options they could make to more easily detect hordes of bots spamming the same quests before they even finish. If done right a lot more should be detected and removed.

You're right it won't entirely solve the problem because there's tons of membered bots too.. but it's a start to cut their F2P money sources.

31-Jan-2019 06:02:57

FisherGaming

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Heptapus said:
10 minutes if the items are all bought from the GE, sure.
No. 10 minutes as a fresh account without the ability to trade.

Walk north along the road.
Cross the bridge to the east. Milk a cow.
Go back across the bridge to the west.
Pick up an Egg and some Wheat. Make some Flour.
Walk west to Port Sarim. Buy Raw Beef and an Eye of Newt.
Walk west to Rimmington. Pick an Onion.
Burn the Raw Beef.
Start and complete Witch's Potion.
Home Teleport to Lumbridge.
Start and complete Cook's Assistant.
Go north to Varrock. Pick some Cadava Berries.
Start and complete Romeo & Juliet.

7 Quest Points in under 10 minutes. You're welcome.

Heptapus said:
Also what I'm referencing here is less a fix to higher level/membered bots, and more a fix to the absurd amount of level 3s running around F2P destroying any decent options to make money there.

It just adds some extra steps to more easily spot them before they really get into the game and start farming
This won't stop level 3 bots running around in F2P at all. Bots can do quests.

And it won't add some steps to spot them, because legitimate players who just want to make money might take those same steps. Players doing quests at level 3 doesn't mean they're bots.

Heptapus said:
You're right it won't entirely solve the problem because there's tons of membered bots too.. but it's a start to cut their F2P money sources.
It doesn't work. They already had some integrity fixes to stop F2P botting that were far more effective than this could ever hope to be. Look to those updates for ideas on what to do.
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31-Jan-2019 06:14:17

FisherGaming

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SquatnGopnik said:
if not a nuclear bomb then lock it behind completion of all f2p quests and 500+ ttl...
Most legitimate players (excluding Ironman accounts) are going to need to be trading well before 500 total level.

Just for reference, I recently hit 500 total level on a new account. It's only been a few days since I started the account, and I have a bank worth 18m because of the Chinchompas I gathered leveling to 83 and the thousands of Death Runes from selling cats.

If I were a legitimate player, I could've afforded a bond several times over and not been able to trade the goods to buy it. Granted, I was a member to begin with, so that'd be a lot slower, but still.

As far as I know, the trade restrictions are lifted instantly with membership, so this is especially problematic for F2P accounts. Instead of 500 total split between 15 skills instead of 23.

Raising the requirement to 500 total and all F2P quests completed is a ridiculous standard to be able to trade, unfairly punishing a significant number of legitimate, new players in a way that WILL NOT STOP BOTTING.

What about the people who bot to train skills?
What about the people who bot on Ironman accounts?
What about the people who bot to get a rare drop they didn't want to grind for?
What about the people who level up, do the quests, then bot?
What about the people who would feel more inclined to bot just so they can trade?
What about the people who use bots to do the quests just so they can trade?

Sure, this might slow down, but not stop, the bots ruining the economy with low level money making methods, but this will affect far more legitimate players than bots.

What needs to be improved is bot detection so they get removed faster. If it takes players reporting and weeks of botting to be detected, it's too late.
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01-Feb-2019 12:51:15

Str8cashjigg

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Or just remove or tax the GE altogether. Quests are easily botted. Don't lie to yourself just to keep your easyscape The ditch is gonna get endless repolls while sand buckets can pass the first poll and never be implemented. After the ditch passes the 7th poll attempt, it'll be implemented an hour before the poll closes because it's actually important. Deal with it.

01-Feb-2019 16:13:33

FisherGaming

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Str8cashjigg said:
Or just remove or tax the GE altogether.
This won't stop bots, at all.

This thread is about botting, not your unreasonable hatred for the GE. Go whinge about how the GE ruined the game on one of your dozen threads about the topic.

Str8cashjigg said:
Don't lie to yourself just to keep your easyscape
He wants to stop botting, however misguided his attempts may be. How the hell is that easyscape?
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01-Feb-2019 16:23:44

Str8cashjigg

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It'd slow them down. Again, the GE is what made bots in control of the economy. If he wants to stop botting, then he should remove the machine that gave them so much power. The ditch is gonna get endless repolls while sand buckets can pass the first poll and never be implemented. After the ditch passes the 7th poll attempt, it'll be implemented an hour before the poll closes because it's actually important. Deal with it.

01-Feb-2019 16:50:22

FisherGaming

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Str8cashjigg said:
It'd slow them down.
Taxing the GE wouldn't even slow down bots. Bots wouldn't care about a tax, because they don't care about wasting their time or getting less gold per hour, because they're bots.

Taxing the GE would do nothing to stop people who use bots to train skills, do quests, grind for rare drops, etc.

Str8cashjigg said:
Again, the GE is what made bots in control of the economy. If he wants to stop botting, then he should remove the machine that gave them so much power.
Utter nonsense. The GE gave players the freedom to avoid buying from bots.

Before the GE, the only people selling were merchants and bots. Now all players can buy and sell freely, because they don't have to waste most of their time trying to find a deal.

What gives bots power is not the GE; it's their ability to grind endlessly without failure. They never make mistakes and they never get tired.
I'll keep score from now on.
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01-Feb-2019 19:51:02

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