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05-Mar-2019 03:17:11

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Skysunder said:
electric boogaloo.

seriously, a 1 or 5% tax on the grand exchange in order to make direct trades viable again. the percentage can be argued as im not sure what the best number is. (and its not 0%)

also, no one is alching coal. stop pretending you don't understand alch values guys.


The opening content is above, minus the last line of the post which was flaming certain forum users. Skysunder, as was asked on your prior topic, there's no need for flaming remarks towards other forumers on your thread.

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On topic, while I can understand the nostalgic feeling of player-to-player trading (and the feeling that the introduction of the GE may have made the game seem 'quicker' in that items can be obtained quicker), I don't feel there is a current need to tax the Grand Exchange. Personally, I feel the current options work, and if players wish to engage in player-to-player trading, there isn't anything in the game preventing that from happening. In fact, there are still a number of players who trade player-to-player via the use of the Marketplace forums.

05-Mar-2019 04:04:32

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05-Mar-2019 04:05:52

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No, Skysunder, we are not 'censoring opinions' as you have stated, rather promoting constructive discussion. Constructive discussion does not begin by flaming members of the community.

It would be best, as the author of the thread, to focus towards your provided topic, which is on whether taxing the GE would be beneficial.

05-Mar-2019 04:36:32

Skysunder
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"to learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise"~voltaire

your censoring criticism of mods. and you mods are interfering in the topic. so how can i focus on the topic at hand? leave and let the debates ensue.
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05-Mar-2019 04:44:05

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Skysunder said:
your censoring criticism of mods.
Saying "F you" to the mods is not criticism, nor is this really the correct place to be criticizing them in the first place.

Skysunder said:
you mods are interfering in the topic.
This is quite evidently untrue, as the moderators have simply edited out the inflammatory language in your original post, but left the remainder of your original post in a quote for everyone to see.

The thread has remained unlocked, and the moderator who has taken action against you has even personally responded to the topic you've brought up.

Skysunder said:
so how can i focus on the topic at hand?
By not challenging their authority and questioning their actions. Just talk about what you want to talk about, and learn to pick your battles.

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I think I'll just summarize my views once more, but specifically in response to the OP.

I don't think player-to-player interaction is necessarily a good thing. Someone spamming racial slurs at you is technically player-to-player interaction.

As for the viability of player trading, that's going to require a whole lot of fixes before it's even considered over the GE.

Consider:
You cannot be scammed when using the GE.
You do not have to sit and spam to find deals when using the GE.
You do not have to haggle when using the GE.
You do not have to wait for a buyer or seller to be online when using the GE.
You do not have to deal with troll offers or people wasting your time when using the GE.

The GE offers numerous benefits and solutions to problems that have always existed in direct trades.

Direct trades remain perfectly viable as a means to trade goods for goods rather than for currency, and allow imbalanced trades. They also allow you to buy and sell directly to an individual rather than "the market."

They serve their purpose, but for general trading, they're just not good.
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05-Mar-2019 05:16:21

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As for taxing the GE, I can't really see a reason to.

The game is currently in a state of demonstrable deflation. Prices of goods are going down, not up. Anyone stating that the game is currently experiencing inflation is simply ignorant on the definition of inflation.

Gold sinks aren't necessarily a bad thing, but there are plenty of them already, and they are working fine. The best gold sink is one people don't feel upset by. The more upset people are by a gold sink, they more likely they are to avoid it.

I suspect that most people in favor of a GE tax are not suggesting it out of concern for the economy. That is just a convenient excuse to disincentive the GE because they don't like it. They'd rather it didn't exist, or was rendered not worth using.

The people genuinely concerned about the economy would not be so deadset on a GE tax. They would be perfectly willing to accept other gold sinks.

Why am I against taxing the GE? Because the GE is good for the game. It allows everyone to trade effectively and fairly. Taxing it would discourage using it. People who want to make more money would avoid using it, and that's a bad thing.
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05-Mar-2019 05:28:07

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hiding posts and locking threads IS interfering. expecially when they focus on criticism of them. as if they are above it as if they are better than us. they. are. not.

now for the points.

"You cannot be scammed when using the GE."

and you would have to be a complete moron to be scammed in a direct trade these days. theres so many failsafes that its practically handholding. complete with flashing graphics and warnings whenever the other player so much as farts crooked. (its called hyperbole look it up. i know you don't understand it.)

"You do not have to sit and spam to find deals when using the GE."

indeed thats why i wanted to help people to level the playing field.

"You do not have to haggle when using the GE."

nope, but you also have no control over the price. unless your part of a massive merching clan, and even then good luck on raising the price of anything what with the massive unflux of common materials like runes and lower tier gems. a tax would help to raise the price of these things at LEAST above their high alch value. seriously rings of forging used to go for 2k in my day. now their 1042

"You do not have to wait for a buyer or seller to be online when using the GE."

a service worth paying a bit more for in my book. kind of like a credit card. you pay the interest for the convenience you get.

"You do not have to deal with troll offers or people wasting your time when using the GE."

yeup. can't argue with that. but im not arguing to abolish the grand exchange.
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05-Mar-2019 05:28:55

Skysunder
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"As for taxing the GE, I can't really see a reason to.

The game is currently in a state of demonstrable deflation. Prices of goods are going down, not up. Anyone stating that the game is currently experiencing inflation is simply ignorant on the definition of inflation."

i explained that last thread. the prices of common goods go down due to a surplus in supply. players themselves are drowning in coins. end game gear is still expensive as hell. it is too easy to get consumables because end game raiders and boss slayers get them as unwanted drops when they are after end game gear. the only thing keeping consumables and lower tier gear at their current price is their high alch value. if you removed alchemy, the prices would be so low that it'd only be possible to make money through boss slaying and selling one bis item for another bis item.

"Gold sinks aren't necessarily a bad thing, but there are plenty of them already, and they are working fine. The best gold sink is one people don't feel upset by. The more upset people are by a gold sink, they more likely they are to avoid it."

true but i doubt people are going to abandon the grand exchange if a tax is imposed. seriously if the GE started taxing at 5%. would YOU stop using it?

"I suspect that most people in favor of a GE tax are not suggesting it out of concern for the economy. That is just a convenient excuse to disincentive the GE because they don't like it. They'd rather it didn't exist, or was rendered not worth using."

nope, im throwing a bone to people that miss the old days by trying to find something that pleases both sides. im using the exchange as i type these posts. and i would hate this game without it.

"The people genuinely concerned about the economy would not be so deadset on a GE tax. They would be perfectly willing to accept other gold sinks"

what other gold sink has been suggested lately? i must have missed that thread.
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05-Mar-2019 05:35:30

Skysunder
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"Why am I against taxing the GE? Because the GE is good for the game. It allows everyone to trade effectively and fairly. Taxing it would discourage using it. People who want to make more money would avoid using it, and that's a bad thing."

people who want to make money in this game in an underhanded fashion will find a way. i already mentioned merching clans. and those existed in RS2s heyday. and i already made a credit card analogy, discouraging its use will not stop its use. i would certainly keep using it.
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05-Mar-2019 05:38:10

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