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Just make an Iron Pure & rage when a level 3 loots your kill before you can on a looter with defence you made.

The level 3's use a 3rd party program to see loot on the ground that hasn't appeared & then spam click faster than a human hand can.

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When almost all Pures are Iron, perhaps then they'll be given a way to loot, only if it isn't beyond the capabilities of the development team to code & implement such a mechanic.

It likely is however, they just know how to create new sprites & in-game items.
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18-Mar-2019 01:20:48

Skysunder
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let me elaborate more on why im against this.

at the very core of this argument is the existence of pures themselves which are built as an unfair advantage over a normal player. this unfair advantage is fully embraced by people that get their kicks from ruining the fun of others.

we see this in many games, twinks in world of warcraft, where level 19s or 29s would get the best possible items for their level to dominate their level bracket on the battlegrounds in world of warcraft.

twinks in dark souls, people will invade their own accounts or friends accounts to give +15 fire chaos or lightning weapons to really low level characters, or just outright hack the game to give themselves max stats at level 10.

or the likes of crystal saga where you can literally pay real money to raise your stats through a variety of methods becoming unbeatable to anyone that didnt pay the same amount.

this mentality of dedicating yourself to gaining every possible advantage over another in a competition regardless of what rules you may break or any respect for fairness is prevalent in too many communities and it ruins PVP in EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. no amount of skill can make up for people that built a character with every exploit in the book to kill you. and you cannot PVP for a bit of fun and stand any chance of winning.

i will not support content that makes it easier for pures to exist.
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18-Mar-2019 02:49:04

Nikolas10181
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@Sky

I can understand that, but the thing is in OSRS pures are literally the majority and when I say majority I mean you don't PvP without one it's not going to happen.

Part of the reason is because defence in this game has been tested and shown to not be very valuable in comparison to att and str. You would have to make defence actually worth it and then we start moving into EoC territory and people ain't going to like that so trying to change defence is off the table.

Another reason is the combat brackets because they straight up discourage you from leveling all combat skills. Let's use WoW for example in PvP worlds (when they had them and will again in Classic) there is nothing stopping you from slapping any level which is part of what kept twinks in line. In OSRS there's none of that because you will be stopped at a certain level so if you kept leveling you can't do anything to the person next to you just because you leveled defence.

The last point is trying to argue "fairness" isn't a good point because you could have the most balanced game of all time, but somebody who is bad will whine saying something is OP when in reality they just suck. You can be on an even playing field, but somebody will always find something to complain about. Technically you can argue if everybody is a pure then it is fair because you're the same.

I'm not a fan of pures either because they support a really bad theme that you usually find in older mmos which is that it is possible to level your character wrong. Unfortunately this playstyle has been the staple for PvP in RS since Classic it isn't going to vanish especially not in OSRS where we are bitter from EoC.

The only way PvP is going to be more accessible is if pures are actually supported and systems are in place to accommodate that such as this one so people don't have to remake another account for the same build. Only thing we can do now is embrace it and make it better rather than do nothing like we do now.

18-Mar-2019 04:31:36

Skysunder
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"Part of the reason is because defence in this game has been tested and shown to not be very valuable in comparison to att and str. You would have to make defence actually worth it and then we start moving into EoC territory and people ain't going to like that so trying to change defence is off the table."

so buffing defense would bring in this COMPLETELY UNRELATED THING? your delusional.

"Technically you can argue if everybody is a pure then it is fair because you're the same."

no because then no one would be maxed. no one would be anything else. it would be the disease known as pures fully infesting the rotting corpse of what was oldschool runescape.

"Only thing we can do now is embrace it and make it better rather than do nothing like we do now." you remind me of the people who try to "adapt" to tyranny, be it from the nazis, feminists or muslims. or "adapt" to some stupid new law. "jail time if you get a pronoun wrong" you already gave an idea, buffing defense. you said its worthless in comparison to raising just attack or strength. so buff it.
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18-Mar-2019 15:15:35

Nikolas10181
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Skysunder said:
"Part of the reason is because defence in this game has been tested and shown to not be very valuable in comparison to att and str. You would have to make defence actually worth it and then we start moving into EoC territory and people ain't going to like that so trying to change defence is off the table."

so buffing defense would bring in this COMPLETELY UNRELATED THING? your delusional.

"Technically you can argue if everybody is a pure then it is fair because you're the same."

no because then no one would be maxed. no one would be anything else. it would be the disease known as pures fully infesting the rotting corpse of what was oldschool runescape.

"Only thing we can do now is embrace it and make it better rather than do nothing like we do now." you remind me of the people who try to "adapt" to tyranny, be it from the nazis, feminists or muslims. or "adapt" to some stupid new law. "jail time if you get a pronoun wrong" you already gave an idea, buffing defense. you said its worthless in comparison to raising just attack or strength. so buff it.


Yes buffing defence totally won't screw with the rest of the game in a negative way. In what way can you buff defence that doesn't mess with every piece of PvM content? Short answer you can't and you would also be messing with the combat system which wouldn't be old school anymore. You would be doing all this for something that isn't even guaranteed to work while simultaneously pissing off the entire PvP community to cater to people who don't PvP to begin with great plan.

I love how you think it's as simple as just "buff defence" with 0 thought put into how that affects the game.

18-Mar-2019 15:59:36 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2019 15:59:49 by Nikolas10181

Skysunder
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oh i put plenty of thought as to how it affects the rest of the game. i was thinking of how much damage i take no matter how high i raise my defense. and how protection prayers matter more than anything else. use dissenter periodcom to bypass censorship.

18-Mar-2019 16:06:25

Nikolas10181
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Skysunder said:
oh i put plenty of thought as to how it affects the rest of the game. i was thinking of how much damage i take no matter how high i raise my defense. and how protection prayers matter more than anything else.


Tell me how that works out when you try to kill something that isn't just a slayer monster. You haven't even experienced half the game.

18-Mar-2019 17:27:32

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Sounds like heavy pandering. They may as well add an option to right click the wilderness ditch to set your stats to whatever level (at or below your level, not above) at will and remove the need for pures at all.

18-Mar-2019 18:12:35

Draco Burnz
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Notcool97 said:
Sounds like heavy pandering. They may as well add an option to right click the wilderness ditch to set your stats to whatever level (at or below your level, not above) at will and remove the need for pures at all.


Even though i dont like pures asking for things to made easier for them, i dont support this either.
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18-Mar-2019 19:16:55

WickedMemory
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A few variables and a few lines of code in Java wouldn't be that hard to implement, I honestly submitted this because most PKers are pures somehow or have a very specific build that can get ruined easily, that said, I made it clear that I wanted this feature only valid for PVP. So you can really enjoy your god damn build.


Edit: if your opinion comes from hate towards pures, try to keep your personal or even irrational bias away from your answers (doesn't matter if you lost your Party Hat to a pure in 2006 or if you still happen to get wiped frequently by pures) - Plus there are ingame polls, jagex would only need to add this to one of those polls and see how it goes

Edit2: This would be a passive update, no one would notice it because the default setting would be the way it normally is - and pure community would be able to toggle it on/off at their own criteria, at least they'd be safe at PVP - Saying "no support" here won't erase pures from Guilenor. Pures ain't any cheat, they don't use anything you can't use. In some MMORPGs they do use 'Unobtainable' heirlooms traded by main accounts which make them even more powerful but we all know how OSRS works and honestly being a pure is a strategy that will bring consequences such as poor pvm - deal with it, it's a choice.

We all have noticed how the EXP bug turned out and how they didn't add an NPC (like RS3 Nastroth ) able to reset certain skills under a certain level, and how the exp rollback/fix turned out too as there were plenty main accounts with their defence reset to 1..

This update I suggested would, at the very least, kill one more possible exp issue - It ain't even a priority, it could be developed in one afternoon by a random dude with basic Java skills and added to a bigger and more important patch, it's not even intrusive to the game so bug off with hate

19-Mar-2019 02:24:27 - Last edited on 19-Mar-2019 02:40:03 by WickedMemory

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