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rishinger l

rishinger l

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Title says it all.

A total level of 300 and 25 hours of time in game is objectively not enough experience with the game to be voting on changes to content that can heavily effect game balance and integrity.


I won't put a total level or number of hours played here yet, i'll leave that up to discussion here.

But the main point is that 300 total level (which is 13 in all your skills) and 25 hours playtime is no-where near enough experience to say that you can accurately know how things you are voting on in polls affect the games balance and integrity.



For example:

Say someone just started the game right now for the first time, then they got a 300 total level from non-combat only, never killing a monster, and all of a sudden there was a poll to say reduce the whips attack requirement to 1, or make it so that all armours had no defence requirement.
Would you think that, that person has enough experience with the game to accurately understand the implications of such a poll.

Or say someone just started the game, and there was a poll asking if all drop tables should give 20x the amount of resources, do you think a brand new player would be able to understand the effect this would have on the economy and high level content?

No, they wouldn't.

Too many of the polls are allowing people to vote on high-end, or game changing content without having those people ever actually experience that content.

And it is very dangerous for the games longevity to have people voting to change content in the game if they can't fully perceive the effect it has on the game as a whole.


tl;dr

I think we should increase the level requirement, and time spent in game before allowing people to vote on content that, honestly, most of them have never even experienced.

12-Feb-2019 09:29:57

0join Emo

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"And it is very dangerous for the games longevity to have people voting to change content in the game if they can't fully perceive the effect it has on the game as a whole."

Agreed. Like what Notcool97 said, we need a 1k total level requirement and/or a 100 quest points requirement.

12-Feb-2019 14:07:28

FisherGaming

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Oh, another one of these threads.

Everyone is qualified. That's the whole point.

OSRS was founded on the principle of giving the players the ability to determine what is brought into the game. Read through my posts here to see why this isn't a good idea.
I'll keep score from now on.
A: 3 | M: -1 | Tr: 0 | Tu: -2 |

12-Feb-2019 17:13:27 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2019 17:13:41 by FisherGaming

rishinger l

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FisherGaming said:
Oh, another one of these threads.

Everyone is qualified. That's the whole point.

OSRS was founded on the principle of giving the players the ability to determine what is brought into the game. Read through my posts here to see why this isn't a good idea.



Objectively everyone is not qualified.
Again....look at my examples there.

If someone has barely played 25 hours of the game...and has done say...300 total level in only non-combat skills, and there is a poll to vote on say vork and zul mechanic do you honestly think they can make a fully informed decision when it comes to changing those mechanics.


Again....everyone is not qualified.
That's like saying because i go to a hospital im qualified to be a doctor.
Or because i went to a restaurant im qualified to be a chef.

There is no logic that can get around this.
If someone hasn't played a game, hasn't experienced the bulk of its content, and doesn't know how updates would effect the games balance and the economy.
Then they are NOT properly qualified to influence those changes.


You can dislike it as much as you want but that is the truth.
If someone doesn't know what they are voting to change, then they are not qualified to change it....again...this isn't morality, or ethics or anything like that.

It's very simple....the game polls? are bringing in changes to a game that hundreds of thousands of people are playing.
It's just very simple logic.
There are certain jobs and practices that require people to be qualified before having an influence on a product or idea that affects hundreds of thousands of people.
And designing a game is one of them.


It doesn't matter how much you individually don't like it. This is a fact.
These people are voting on updates that effect literally hundreds of thousands of people.
It is just beyond irresponsible to leave those decisions to people who don't know what they are changing.

12-Feb-2019 17:40:24

Notcool97
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bur0k 0bama said:
requirements are high enough, f2p doesn't get a vote on content for f2p so i feel that the current level is fine
Of course f2p don't get a vote on anything, it'd be incredibly easy for people to make voting bots if they didn't even need to buy membership to vote.

12-Feb-2019 17:40:36

Notcool97
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FisherGaming said:
Oh, another one of these threads.

Everyone is qualified. That's the whole point.

OSRS was founded on the principle of giving the players the ability to determine what is brought into the game. Read through my posts here to see why this isn't a good idea.
This isn't about permanently removing the voting right of players, it is about delaying their ability to vote until they have played long enough, experienced enough content to actually know and understand the implications of their vote. Everyone will be able to vote when they have played enough, everyone will be "qualified" to vote once they have played enough.

I see nothing wrong with adding a reasonable requirement, it isn't like anyone here is demanding only maxed players or infernal cape wearers can vote; just a requirement that can't easily be met in a couple of days.

12-Feb-2019 17:46:07

rishinger l

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Notcool97 said:
FisherGaming said:
Oh, another one of these threads.

Everyone is qualified. That's the whole point.

OSRS was founded on the principle of giving the players the ability to determine what is brought into the game. Read through my posts here to see why this isn't a good idea.
This isn't about permanently removing the voting right of players, it is about delaying their ability to vote until they have played long enough, experienced enough content to actually know and understand the implications of their vote. Everyone will be able to vote when they have played enough, everyone will be "qualified" to vote once they have played enough.

I see nothing wrong with adding a reasonable requirement, it isn't like anyone here is demanding only maxed players or infernal cape wearers can vote; just a requirement that can't easily be met in a couple of days.


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That.

Everyone will still be allowed to vote no polls.....it's just asking that they understand the implications of the content they are voting on before voting.
Again....this is a game hundreds of thousands of people play, so asking people to understand what they are voting on is just the bare minimum required in order to Preserve the longevity of the game.

There is literally nothing wrong with wanting people to understand the implications of their votes before they vote.

12-Feb-2019 17:49:09

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