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Nestawyn
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MTX like TH are hotly debated subjects amongst players. Some love them, others hate them. Some understand the necessity while others cry "P2W!!!".

Though slightly off topic, Merchz released a video on August 28th of this year titled "The state of Merchanting, BXPW & RS in 2016". In this video he shares a fact with us that is very important. At 0:57 he highlights the active RS3 members from the beginning of 2016 to now.

Starting at around 35k players and dropping to 27k a rough 22.8% decrease. Now translate this to income that is nearly 1/4 of their income from memberships gone. Money that is used to pay salaries for the content developers. Content updates we expected relating to; Skilling, PvM, and PvP have all likely been pushed back due to this revenue decrease.

An easy fix to this revenue decrease is Treasure Hunter promotions. It takes very little work (comparatively to other updates) and generates larges amounts of revenue. A route we see Jagex taking, but is this such a bad thing?

You as a player are not forced to buy keys, nor are you even forced to use your free daily ones. The prizes are never great but they aren't bad either they simple are just there. Combat gear tends to be expensive to obtain and relatively useless unless you use it as a cosmetic. Skilling outfits aren't incredibly overpowered, 6% xp boost is similar to making the next best thing or using the next best bone and are incredibly expensive to obtain so its not like you are truly saving any money.

There are important facts that it seems like many people don't realize.

1. Jagex is a company and requires money to function
2. Jagex lost income
3. Jagex found a non-compulsory way to achieve the lost income
4. Jagex released expensive yet practically worthless items in exchange for money


In no logical way shape or form are MTX, in the way that Jagex presents them, overpowered or P2W.

Would you rather have monthly membership costs rise 22.8%?

That is all.

09-Sep-2016 04:29:24

Lions RAWR
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Lions RAWR

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The thing is, if there was only 27k players playing RS3. the game would be long gone by now. People assume that that number ( player count) is a real count of the number of players in the game. what many don't get is the logic behind that argument.

There is no proof that the decrease in income is related to the decrease in updates.
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09-Sep-2016 04:56:26

Nestawyn
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Lions RAWR said:
The thing is, if there was only 27k players playing RS3. the game would be long gone by now. People assume that that number ( player count) is a real count of the number of players in the game. what many don't get is the logic behind that argument.

There is no proof that the decrease in income is related to the decrease in updates.


Please elaborate on the first point.

On the second point you state that there is no proof that a decrease in income is related to a decrease in updates.

You do understand that a Decrease in income is directly related to the amount of money they have available to PAY the content developers to create these updates, right? No one is updating this game for free.

09-Sep-2016 05:09:39

Lions RAWR
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Lions RAWR

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Nestawyn said:

you do understand that a Decrease in income is directly related to the amount of money they have available to PAY the content developers to create these updates, right? No one is updating this game for free.


For the first point: The player count is not a indicator of the total population of players in RS. it is a snap shot of the player amount currently. So there could be millions of players playing RS, but not all at once.

For the second point: Is their a direct correlation? You don't know the reason their is less content is because of a decrease in income. The decrease in content could be because of player feedback ( like mining and smiting rework and shattered worlds). That would have nothing to do with profits.
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09-Sep-2016 05:46:44 - Last edited on 09-Sep-2016 05:48:44 by Lions RAWR

Nestawyn
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Nestawyn

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Nestawyn said:

you do understand that a Decrease in income is directly related to the amount of money they have available to PAY the content developers to create these updates, right? No one is updating this game for free.


For the first point: It comes to reason that a decrease in the average amount of players on at any given time would follow alongside a decrease in membership payments. A player who does not actively play is less likely to actively pay, thats just common sense.

For the second point: as stated in the quote above. money->developers->content and yes there is other factors but I'm not addressing those as those are not factors to be addressed in this forum. A major factor in the speed and quality in which updates are pushed out is income. Loss of income would cause a lack in quality and quantity of updates though maybe not the sole factor it would be a contributing factor.

09-Sep-2016 06:16:53

Ccf Uk

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:) I see your point.

But I wonder what will happen in 2-3 years time when people will have quitted due to too much MTX. I mean if something like this is fine, what would stop them releasing BIS items for MTX? If the money from MTX just gets put back into more MTX for profits,

I don't see that being good and I hope Jagex focus on what they do well: Quests, Skills (reworking some skills next year would be quite cool), PvM, and PvP. I think if they focus on those they will keep a loyal fanbase. If they focus on MTX I think the fanbase will die off and Runescape will have hardly any players left.

Hope Rnescape will still exist 5-10 years now, but MTX might be the Jagex paradox - they need it to pay for developers and keep the game running, but it might also be what kills the game. Hope that makes sense.

09-Sep-2016 09:42:20

Kyle Carlson

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I would be shocked if Runescape is still here in 10 years time.

They have already used their last life in bringing MTX into Runescape. Once this fails, their is nothing left to fall back on.

Their biggest failure as a company is their inability to bring in new players over the last 10 years. Once a company doesn't address this issue, it is the beginning of the end.

Right now Runescape is a ship that has hit the iceburg a long time ago and is slowly sinking into the bottom of the sea.

09-Sep-2016 10:51:22

Nestawyn
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Kyle Carlson said:
I would be shocked if Runescape is still here in 10 years time.

They have already used their last life in bringing MTX into Runescape. Once this fails, their is nothing left to fall back on.

Their biggest failure as a company is their inability to bring in new players over the last 10 years. Once a company doesn't address this issue, it is the beginning of the end.

Right now Runescape is a ship that has hit the iceburg a long time ago and is slowly sinking into the bottom of the sea.


Forgive me if this is rude, but you aren't doing anything to help. Free to play, never been a member, and haven't played in months, 458,609 total xp. You arent even a player, why are you here complaining and preaching when you haven't even played the game?

09-Sep-2016 11:02:23

Kyle Carlson

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I did help, Jagex should invest in bringing in new players and stop concentrating on MTX. MTX cannot ever be sustained in the long term. Its an end game path that only patches the current and present problems. Its the path they have chosen.

09-Sep-2016 11:11:16

Ccf Uk

Ccf Uk

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Kyle Carlson said:
I did help, Jagex should invest in bringing in new players and stop concentrating on MTX. MTX cannot ever be sustained in the long term. Its an end game path that only patches the current and present problems. Its the path they have chosen.


How do you recommend they get new players? Unfortunately, Runescape's reputation is quite poor, and nor is it popular. For example, they've been releasing a few trailers recently for updates they've made like The Arc. It doesn't get many views though due to how unpopular Runescape is at the moment.

Not only that, but MTX are starting to drive people away. It worries me what they might do in the name of profit, and if they do just focus on profit then Runescape could keep losing players and become the next Maple Story. Hope you see what I'm saying. I like Runescape, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere, before we do get P2W promos where you can get t99 items but can only get it through TH.

09-Sep-2016 12:02:22

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