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Dilbert2001 said:
Only 22% of gamers dislike pay to win.

Although more players think pay to win is more problematic than loot boxes, they are still the vocal minorities. The fact is for every player who cries pay to win, there are more than 3 players who either don't care or even enjoy paying for advantages :D:D:D


1. Got a source for your stat there?
2. Sure, I wouldn't mind p2w if it wasn't so obscenely OP like in this game. Compare the p2w in rs3 to osrs alone is enough, in osrs, there's only bond, which allows players to trade real currency with in game currency to give them advantage in game. That's also considered p2w but its nowhere near as obnoxious as rs3's p2w. Another example is WoW, there's also a bond system that allows you to trade real currency with in game currency, and also an instant leveling system, but that only works for 1 character and you have to have another character above that level already.
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28-May-2018 17:21:52

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You saying only 22% of gamers display p2w is soooo misleading. From the report your provided:

68.6% say cosmetic only is ok
22% dislike pay to win
5.8% say they don't purchase them
2.4% say they'd rather pay up front
1.3% say they're a fan

Remember, we're talking about TH here, TH is a form of MTX that provides in game advantage. Those 896 voters (huge sample size btw /s) saying cosmetic only is ok will definitely say RS3's TH is not ok as it gives in game advantage by allowing you to skip over some progression.

If I'm interpreting "I'd rather pay up front" correctly, it means that those players would rather buy a full game that has no MTX/p2w feature. And the "I don't purchase them" players are indifferent to MTX/p2w but do no participate it in.

So even if you exclude the 2 types of players mentioned above, it would still mean that a whopping 90.6% of the voters would not be ok with RS3's TH (and 98.7% if you include them). That is in no way a vocal minority of players being ok with p2w.
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29-May-2018 01:59:01

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Blackwing said:
They don't need to do it though; their financial statements have shown that even if all of their MTX was removed, they'd still be making a profit. And removing TH wouldn't remove MTX in its entirety either, it'd just be the removal of the worst, and useless one. So you don't need to worry about Jagex's survival. > )

To further your point, their MTX category included all bond purchases, and many players rely on bonds for membership, so if you removed TH, the MTX section in their financial statment wouldn't be 0.

IISSPAEROR said:
Honestly, if they want the game to survive, they should make the update process democratic like it is for OSRS

Honestly, they way the poll things can sometimes hurt the game. Like that time when so many ppl voted no for a skiller update because most of the ppl were no interested in it even though the update wouldn't have a negative impact on them. While the skillers would've had a massive QOL improvement.
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02-Jun-2018 15:57:22

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DracoBurnz said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Yes, very interesting article. It only means EA is willing to spend more $$$ on legal fees than they will otherwise lose on taking away loot boxes from Belgium. They must have a reason to spend more $$$ and many years of time.

Most likely, their Sports community called for it. Likewise, the 2K Games Sports community voiced their opinions.

EA's FIFA 19 physical sales lower by 25% compared to last year. Their decision sure as hell paid off and the players sure as hell voiced their opinions :)
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05-Oct-2018 08:42:13

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Dilbert2001 said:
"EA's FIFA 19 physical sales lower by 25% compared to last year"
is definitely completely factually wrong.

IDK if you have reading comprehension problem or what, but I screenied the quote for you right here.


Dilbert2001 said:
What really matters is FIFA 19 is beating everybody in UK in its first week:

UK Sales Charts: Week Ending 29th September, 2018
FIFA 19
Marvel's Spider-Man
Shadow of the Tomb Raider
Crash Bandicoot: N. Sane Trilogy
Grand Theft Auto V
Mario Kart 8: Deluxe
The Elder Scrolls Online
NBA 2K19
Valkyria Chronicles 4
Minecraft: Xbox Edition

It may matter to EA's investors, but it sure as hell does not make my statement wrong nor does it impact our current topic, I never specific nor implied that the number wasn't limited to UK or that it was only first 3 days of sales. The best you can say is that I was being vague, but you 100% cannot claim that my statement is completely false.
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07-Oct-2018 08:23:51 - Last edited on 07-Oct-2018 08:24:46 by UrekMazino

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Funny how they can make that much money and still produce subpar games at best.

BTW you are still wrong to say that my statement was incorrect, doesn't matter if you try to change the subject, whether its to FIFA 18 or FIFA 19's sales relative to other games in UK.
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08-Oct-2018 13:32:10

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Dilbert2001 said:
And don't forget they are only players with >500 Runescores. There are a lot more with <500 Runescores but not showing in the Hiscores yet.

Runescore is so easy to get, any raf alt can get 500 runescore in a day.

Dilbert2001 said:
Matt Casey also said 90% of the players who actually play in RS3 enjoy the game despite of the MTX. That's the fact. :D

Keyword: despite. Pretty sad that it needs to be worded that way because it means they are acknowledging that MTX is negatively impacting gameplay experience even if its not enough to ruin it for most.
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13-Oct-2018 08:34:59

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Dilbert2001 said:
Alts are still players. And most runescore achievements can't be botted, let alone be botted to get 500 runescaores in one day.

Every 10 levels in each skill gives 5 runescores and skills can be botted, might wanna double check next time before posting.

Dilbert2001 said:
MTX Negatively affecting gameplay? How can the 90% of all players in the game enjoy the game daily when MTX is "negatively affecting gameplay"? I guess they must enjoy negative gameplay then.

Some idiot at work made a mistake today and caused you to have to work overtime, does that make your whole life completely miserable?
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15-Oct-2018 08:08:30

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Dilbert2001 said:
How many Runescore achievements are solely based on levels? What a petty percentage! You may also want to check out Runescores more carefully. There are 300k+ players with about 1300 Runescores. Even if all of them got every score from skill level, they would have to be level 99 in all skills. Can all these 300k players "botted" to 99 in all skills in one day?

I did not claim that that was an exhaustive list of bottable runescore, there are of course other achievements that can be botted or accidentally achieved (a bunch of easy/med level achievement diaries can be accidentally achieved by just doing regular low/mid level activities in the area), maybe you'll want to work on your critical thinking skill next time.

Dilbert2001 said:
The 90% players who are happy don't care and most likely don't work with the petty 10% who don't enjoy Runescape but still play and post. Who care if they "work overtime". The 90% happy ones come to play Runescape, not to "work".

How did you... manage to completely miss my point?
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16-Oct-2018 13:11:41

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Dilbert2001 said:
Regardless how "big" (chuckle chuckle chuckle) the list of bottable achievements and the 1k-ish runescores they contribute to the almost 30k max runescores,

Nice, where did you get that number from? I'm sure its a completely reliable and truthful source and not just a random number you pulled out of thin air.

Dilbert2001 said:
it is easily justified the bare minimum of the 300-350k active players participating in Runescores the last month were not "bots who reached the Achievements Hiscores in one day".

Those 300-350k "active players" only had to log in once last month to get their highscore rank, the didn't have to do anything, since you know, runescore highscore was only implemented very recently.

Dilbert2001 said:
Mod Chicken: "Microtransaction is an integral part of Jagex's business".

And 90% of the players enjoy the game daily.

Just like EA's comment on sense of pride and achievement, no one is buying it.
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17-Oct-2018 09:36:29

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Mother of misleading stats!

Those RS3 numbers are only that high because those platforms only have such high numbers because the OSRS versions were made at a later date, leading to OSRS players having to first subscribe to the RS3 versions as it was always intended to be the platform for both RS3 and OSRS until the OSRS version was created whereas the OSRS version are always exclusive to OSRS content only.

Those RS3 numbers? Yea, most of them are from OSRS players who forgot to unsub because who even bothers to unbsub from things unless they become a hassle.
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29-Oct-2018 01:23:38

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Dilbert2001 said:
How come those numbers can get that high in Reddit but not the rest of all the other world's biggest social networks?

Its almost like all the other platforms are completely irrelevant in terms of activity and interaction with Jmods! No wonder no one bothers to subscribe and Jagex had to resort to laptop giveaway for subs!

Dilbert2001 said:
I guess some people are running out of excuses so fingers have to point to those who "forgot to unsub RS3".

Check any account for anything you have on any platform, you better not be subscribed to a channel/newsfeed/journal article/blogpost that you no longer care/read/keep up to date about because its an excuse to forget to unsub.

Dilbert2001 said:
Oh! Almost 460k very recent active players have been playing RS3 the last month or so as shown from RS3 Hiscores/Achievements. I guess they "forgot to unsub" too?

Logging in one single time to get or maintain their position on the hiscore. WOW, very active!

Why do you keep cherrypicking stats to lie about things?
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29-Oct-2018 11:58:00

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Dilbert2001 said:
Jagex posted official announcements and comments on FB almost every day too. Some of them are not even in Reddit or came first in FB before Reddit. Twitch and RSOF are also officially integrated into Runescape the game but Reddit is not. Jagex obviously don't treat Reddit as the only "relevant" platform. Just some Jmods prefer to post on Reddit doesn't make the other platform/social networks and the RSOF "irrelevant".

Making a post != interaction with community
Replying to posts and comments made by players = interaction with community

The only platform in your argument that works is twitch, but that's been explained already, just like all of the other platforms, they were not separated between RS3 and OSRS from the start.

Dilbert2001 said:
Show proof on how many players have unsubscribed to their FB/Youtube Runescape? How do you show they did not unsubscribe to OSRS instead of RS3 rather?

You accidentally the whole sentence.

Dilbert2001 said:
Yes, logging even just once means somebody is active in a game. That's how games logged active players, WoW and OSRS included.

That wasn't what I was getting at, I've already mentioned in another post, people logged in to get their runescore hiscore. If all other months showed the same trend, then I wouldn't be making this argument. But I have to keep repeating because you so desperately cling on to the data of a single month over the last half a decade of data that proves otherwise.

You:
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29-Oct-2018 17:19:45

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Dilbert2001 said:
Jagex also doesn't make money from "interacting with their community" on whatever platform. They do them making games.

Translation: The subscriber count is a completely useless stat because its just a number that the devs try to inflate with certain incentives and in no way indicates how active the community is, since this isn't making them money.

Thanks for the circular discussion we've been having, you could've saved us both a lot of time and effort if you said that from the beginning!
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30-Oct-2018 05:42:47

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Dilbert2001 said:
UrekMazino said:
Yea but that wasn't the problem in your statement that I was addressing, if that's what you want to talk about instead, then ok, I'm out.


Told you again, my "statement" was meant to address to Miu's false claim that Reddit "subscribers" have anything to do with Jagex's actual playerbase and profits on Page 73, Post3. I even told him that was not what OP wanted to discuss way way back from his very 1st post.

You just jumped in, but again it is still the same thing... Reddit or whatever fansite/social network "subscriber" numbers are not related to Jagex's own players, let alone profits, and therefore has no meaning to why TH should or should not be removed.

See? You're doing it again, Miu was talking about number of active players are here you are again changing it to profitability.
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27-Nov-2018 07:27:55

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Dilbert2001 said:
Those over 620,000 RS3 unique players are all active since they had to log in RS3 to get listed on Hiscores and Achievements Hiscores only started in September 2018.

You can't claim that they're active if they haven't logged in since the hiscores went up. This was over 2 months ago, even Jagex themselves recognise that over 1 month of not logging in is considered inactive as your friends and clan members will get a notification that you've returned to the game!

The only stat regarding hiscore that matters is how many have increased in runescore since the release. Because if it isn't increasing, it most likely means they haven't been playing at all. If you're one of the several hundreds of thousands of players with less than 1k runescore, doing any activity will likely result in an increase in runescore. So yea, the fact that all these players will 500 runescore haven't budge at all since the release of the hiscore means those accounts haven't been touched at all. And most or all of them have their memberships expired or never had membership to begin with.

So thank you for providing the stats, that proves yourself wrong.
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27-Nov-2018 07:32:45

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DracoBurnz said:
Miu said:
bump


Still waiting:

Dilbert2001 said:
Moving the goalpost? Who?

What is the RS3 membership count you have now, and from what source? Please specify.

Most of the regular forumers aren't as patient as I am and won't bother responding to you, you're just giving this thread a free bump by posting that.
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16-Dec-2018 15:16:33

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DracoBurnz said:
UrekMazino said:
Most of the regular forumers aren't as patient as I am and won't bother responding to you, you're just giving this thread a free bump by posting that.


Just like you're also doing.

Yea but its not a problem for me since I'm not opposed to this suggestion. Whereas you're against it.

Nor am I really for it.
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17-Dec-2018 12:29:11

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Dilbert2001 said:
You think that's nonsense to link TH to Fair Trade Alliance too? But somebody on Page 80, Post 1 wrote this:

"Since Jagex is apparently a member of the "Fair Play Alliance", which
allegedly
doesn't tolerate cheating in video games, it's even more imperative now to get rid of Treasure Hunter, which is exactly that: cheating with your real life wallet! > )"


Are you interested to read what nonsense Blackwing or whoever post next? :D:D:D

Keyword highlighted for convenience.
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12-Feb-2019 07:47:03

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Dilbert2001 said:
None of your keyword nonsense if "highlighted" anywhere in Fair Play Alliance's domains. For your convenience, I have already pointed you to the REAL Fair Play Alliance site and their REAL CONTACT INFO. :D:D:D

Are keywords always highlighted in T&A's? Are keywords always highlighted in contracts? Are keywords always highlighted in missing/vision statements?

No, so why does me highlighting a word in that statement somehow trigger you?
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13-Feb-2019 12:10:25

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Dilbert2001 said:
UrekMazino said:
Dilbert2001 said:
None of your keyword nonsense if "highlighted" anywhere in Fair Play Alliance's domains. For your convenience, I have already pointed you to the REAL Fair Play Alliance site and their REAL CONTACT INFO. :D:D:D

Are keywords always highlighted in T&A's? Are keywords always highlighted in contracts? Are keywords always highlighted in missing/vision statements?

No, so why does me highlighting a word in that statement somehow trigger you?


Are you Nex is Life?

My reply was clearly to Nex is Life. I did not see Urekmazino "highlighting a word in that statement" at all and it doesn't trigger anything at all neither.

Please stop deflecting the topic again to meaning of words again, especially when the posts did not ask you for meaning of words. My last comment on this meaning of word nonsense whatsoever.

I'm sorry, am I not allowed to reply to you on a
public
forum? Are you my boss? Are you an Fmod? Don't tell me who I can and cannot reply to. And who said I was highlighting the word for you? Are you and Nex the only ones reading this thread? Or could I be highlighting for others?

And I asked if you were triggered because of your seemingly agitated response. No, I don't know if you were actually triggered nor did I assume, I merely asked.

And I was in no way "deflecting" anything, what do I have to deflect? There are no arguments nor personal attacks thrown my way. Did you mean detrack from the original topic? How would highlighting a single word in a quote detrack from a topic? How is it physically possible to do so when I offered no input from my opinion to the topic?
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15-Feb-2019 12:55:54 - Last edited on 15-Feb-2019 13:00:04 by UrekMazino

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Are you seriously saying RS is doing well compared to WoW? A game that beats RS in player count (by a mile), revenue (10B vs 56M in 2018, WoW brought in 10x revenue in a single year than Jagex did in its lifetime, not just RS3, the whole of Jagex), employee count, global reach, tournaments, etc etc.

Don't even talk about the juggernaut that is WoW, even Eve brought in more revenue in 2016 at 86M. Plus it was sold for 425M, while Jagex's net worth sits at 350M. Oh, and their active player count is only slightly more than RS3, but it beat both RS3 and OSRS combined, and I don't hear Eve players complain about rampant MTX.

Even GW2, brought in 70M in 2018 vs 56M of Jagex, a single game beat a whole company.

And somehow you can still claim that RS is doing well compared to them? The examples you brought up only served to prove your argument wrong.

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09-Mar-2019 05:38:46

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Dilbert2001 said:

Not my fault you worded it so poorly, you were afterall comparing rs to the other games you mentioned, so its not its not unfair that I bring up some info to see if your statement stands.

All these examples you brought up about employee cut or having lower player count and w/e, yet they somehow not only have better revenue than Jagex but are also breaking their own records. Really, all these numbers you brought up only serve to prove your original point wrong.
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10-Mar-2019 09:47:51

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Dilbert2001 said:
Blackwing said:
Posting this here as well in regards to the bit about MTX:

https://redd.it/b8kymy

The fact that Jagex treats Treasure Hunter in front of the UK parliament as something that can't stand daylight (by hiding key data related to it from them) further confirms that we're better off without a shitty predatory gambling simulator. A good product sells itself without needing to resort to manipulative schemes, and Runescape proved capable of doing it before TH was a thing. > )


There is already a post on this nonsense already.

Jagex did not hide any TH key data:

"What is the most expensive item purchasable?

Pack of keys that allow you to open chests. How much? 74."


OP of that Reddit post was the one who tried to resort to manipulative schemes by crying non-existing "lamps". Jagex do not sell lamps at all. Of course, there is nothing to even mention and that OP kept crying about "lamps". :D:D:D

Why not let people read it and form their own opinions instead of discouraging others from reading it? The OP put the entire transcript in so those who want an un-biased interpretation of the proceedings can read that.
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03-Apr-2019 14:57:08

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Dilbert2001 said:
I never told anybody not to read the actual news themselves. Note, I said the actual posts and video from the UK Parliament.

I just pointed out what (1) there is already an existed post as well as a duplicate and now closed post of the same "issue" in these RSOF already and (2) Blackwing is as wrong as the OP of the Reddit post as Jagex clearly mentioned TH key and how much they sell them for. :D

I didn't say you told people to not read it, I said you are discouraging people from reading it. Very evidently so in your very first sentence:
There is already a post on this nonsense already.


By calling it nonsense. Also, not everyone browses each and every forum section, so what's wrong with bringing it up here? Its not like he's making a duplicate post.
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03-Apr-2019 17:03:38

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Dilbert2001 said:
UrekMazino said:
Dilbert2001 said:
I never told anybody not to read the actual news themselves. Note, I said the actual posts and video from the UK Parliament.

I just pointed out what (1) there is already an existed post as well as a duplicate and now closed post of the same "issue" in these RSOF already and (2) Blackwing is as wrong as the OP of the Reddit post as Jagex clearly mentioned TH key and how much they sell them for. :D

I didn't say you told people to not read it, I said you are discouraging people from reading it. Very evidently so in your very first sentence:
There is already a post on this nonsense already.


By calling it
nonsense
. Also, not everyone browses each and every forum section, so what's wrong with bringing it up here? Its not like he's making a duplicate post.


Isn't "there is already a post on this" the Fmods write to duplicated posts? Aren't Fmods discouraging other people from reading it or are they trying to steer everybody to the correct post?

Since obviously you are not trying to discuss the topic and there is already one such post existing in the General Forum, I have no interest to talk about what I or whoever think about what I or whoever's comment mean. This will be my last comment to yours regarding what you wrote.

Highlighted for your convenience.
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04-Apr-2019 18:08:29

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Dilbert2001 said:
UrekMazino said:
Are you trying to say that the government would've taken action only a few days after a hearing on a topic that is being debated on? And since its no action is taken yet, that 100% confirms the subject of the topic does no harm?


Don't know what government, hearing, topic and action you are talking about. OP definitely did not mention any of those at all. There is no government hearing whatsoever the past few days. :D:D:D

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06-Apr-2019 00:26:19

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Dilbert2001 said:
UrekMazino said:
Dilbert2001 said:
UrekMazino said:
Are you trying to say that the government would've taken action only a few days after a hearing on a topic that is being debated on? And since its no action is taken yet, that 100% confirms the subject of the topic does no harm?


Don't know what government, hearing, topic and action you are talking about. OP definitely did not mention any of those at all. There is no government hearing whatsoever the past few days. :D:D:D

Go back a page


You mean the UK Parliament thing? If so, told you already a thread active in the General forums with some more duplicated ones locked. I am not going to help the others to make more duplicated posts with the same topic:

http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/c=TiJb7sWB44c/sl=0/forums.ws?14,15,785,66093244

I'm not asking to debate on the hearing, I'm just saying that your one and only single argument for supporting MTX has been refuted multiple times. Why must you intentionally change the subject of my comments?
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06-Apr-2019 09:54:11

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Dilbert2001 said:
The products don't sell will never even be marketed or offered any bonuses. That's probably why the Runepass experiment hasn't returned.

Biggest joke ever, that's why Fallout76 went on sale a week after launch because it did so well right? In fact, it sold so well that some outlets were giving it away for free by bundling it PS4 controllers.
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12-May-2019 17:22:26

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Dilbert2001 said:
UrekMazino said:
Dilbert2001 said:
The products don't sell will never even be marketed or offered any bonuses. That's probably why the Runepass experiment hasn't returned.

Biggest joke ever, that's why Fallout76 went on sale a week after launch because it did so well right? In fact, it sold so well that some outlets were giving it away for free by bundling it PS4 controllers.


What did Jagex added Premier Club, retail card promotions, Twitch Prime, 3 for 2 summer membership deals etc to sell RS membership? What did Jagex add Portable Vic to sell Bonds? Why did Jagex run SGS sales every week and keep pushing for deeply discounted Aura sales?

Are membership, bond and SGS all selling poorly? Biggest joke ever. :D:D:D

That's not what I'm saying at all. I said your statement that "things that don't sell well will never go on sale" is wrong, now you're saying that I said "things that go on sale aren't selling well".

Nice strawman.
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13-May-2019 03:15:50

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Dilbert2001 said:
UrekMazino said:
Dilbert2001 said:
UrekMazino said:
Dilbert2001 said:
The products don't sell will never even be marketed or offered any bonuses. That's probably why the Runepass experiment hasn't returned.

Biggest joke ever, that's why Fallout76 went on sale a week after launch because it did so well right? In fact, it sold so well that some outlets were giving it away for free by bundling it PS4 controllers.


What did Jagex added Premier Club, retail card promotions, Twitch Prime, 3 for 2 summer membership deals etc to sell RS membership? What did Jagex add Portable Vic to sell Bonds? Why did Jagex run SGS sales every week and keep pushing for deeply discounted Aura sales?

Are membership, bond and SGS all selling poorly? Biggest joke ever. :D:D:D

That's not what I'm saying at all. I said your statement that "things that don't sell well will never go on sale" is wrong, now you're saying that I said "things that go on sale aren't selling well".

Nice strawman.


"The products don't sell will never even be marketed or offered any bonuses. That's probably why the Runepass experiment hasn't returned."


That's what I wrote on Page 91, Post 8. Not you tried to twisted it to.

The fact that Jagex keeps sweetening their offers for not just TH keys, but also membership, bond, SGS while they keep breaking revenue and profits records year after year clearly shows Blackwing is absolutely wrong. They keep sweetening all the offers to all kinds of things that SELL. The ones done sell they just don't run them again.

I know what I quoted, there are 2 statements in your original quote, I'm saying one of them is wrong (the one you quoted in green). You're talking about the other part, where blackwing's statement is wrong.
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13-May-2019 16:40:14

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And I've explained to you what I'm trying to respond to in your post. Like I said, your post can be separated into 2 parts. 1st one being your response to Blackwing's statement, about key sales not doing well. 2nd part is your statement
"The products don't sell will never even be marketed or offered any bonuses."
which is the one I'm addressing.

You keep referring to the first part and I keep telling you that I'm only talking about the second part. Do you want to defend your statement or keep talking about something else?
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14-May-2019 16:25:25

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Dilbert2001 said:
UrekMazino said:
And I've explained to you what I'm trying to respond to in your post. Like I said, your post can be separated into 2 parts. 1st one being your response to Blackwing's statement, about key sales not doing well. 2nd part is your statement
"The products don't sell will never even be marketed or offered any bonuses."
which is the one I'm addressing.

You keep referring to the first part and I keep telling you that I'm only talking about the second part. Do you want to defend your statement or keep talking about something else?


I have nothing more to tell you other than I have clearly showed you the answer to you asked for.

Sorry, I have no intention to go in circle with you. Thank you for your comment. I am asking Jmods for advise. Have a nice day. :)

Yea, because you know your statement was wrong and can't defend it. Thanks for the post counts while this bickering lasted, not that I care about pc anyways.
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15-May-2019 03:23:16

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They can add all those juicy MTX in their games all they want, but then they'll be scratching their heads wondering why revenue from said games are suffering, just take a look at Anthem and Fallout 76. Perfect combination of MTX, not delivering on promise, false advertisement, troubled launch.

Oh yea, there's Apex Legends too, a free game. No need to wait for their quarterly report, Respawn Entertainment has already admitted in E3 that Apex Legends was not doing well and they will need to be more diligent in the future if they want to make a comeback.
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10-Jun-2019 12:12:44

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They said it in the EA press conference at E3, in the Apex Legends segment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8UUiu-A0Vg

Anthem was doomed to die because what EA showed in the previous E3 was a complete lie and knew it won't sell well. The only reason lootboxes was not in game is to appeal to gamers by showing goodwill and hope that players will be willing to purchase the mess of a game that Anthem is. Instead of getting both bad game copies sales and MTX sales. Of course, they just fell flat on their faces.

If Anthem was as polished as the trailer show cased in the previous E3, there'd be lootboxes.
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11-Jun-2019 05:25:08

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Dilbert2001 said:
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Oh yea, not to mention games like God of War (2018), having no MTX, broke sales records, despite being limited to PS4 only. But keep blaming the failure of Anthem and Fallout76 for the lack of lootboxes.


How many times do I have to tell you single player games like God of War usually don't come with MTX. Only that when the developers begin to make them coop and eventually MMO games then pay-to-win begins to matter and so comes MTX. Uh Oh! RS3 and OSRS are MMO, so inevitably we have to see pay-to-win MTX in these games. Just live with the pay-to-win MTX. :)

And how many times do I have to tell you that single player games like Fallout 4 and Assassin's Creed Odyssey comes with MTX? Only developers with a moral compass would refrain from putting egregious MTX in their games, some go further and beyond but not have any MTX at all.
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15-Jun-2019 12:48:45

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Dilbert2001 said:

Literally already told you the segment where they talked about Apex Legends, I didn't ask you to watch the whole 3.5h press conference/presentation. Your same old nonsense tactic of warping my words will not fool anybody, my original comment that made you ask for video/quote was on Apex Legends, not Anthem.

You can't change the fact that Anthem and Fallout 76 had a poor launch, extremely buggy game (FO 76 anyways), false promises (Cataclysm event for Anthem turned out to be extremely underwhelming, nothing like their E3 showcase; Todd will forever be meme'd for 16x details), lack of content, egregious MTX (oh yea, did I mention FO 76 has non-cosmetic MTX? The unbeatables outfit give stat bonus, so there goes your "
You can't change the fact that Anthem and Fallout 76 did not bring in enough money from just cosmetics so they failed...
";). Not to mention that FO 76 also technically violated EU law by artificially pumping up the price of an item to then put it on sale under the guise that its discounted but actually you are paying for it at its original price.
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